Raise a hand. Who wants to sign up as cannon fodder for the rich?
I’d definitely fight FOR our country. But I would not fight for our country and those that currently control it. They’re after all, the ones we have to fight against.
… so what period in history was this ever a country worth fighting for lol
Almost never. FOR however, almost always.
… you’ll have to explain that. I think you’re contradicting yourself lol
Not really. You just need to go back to my first post in this thread. Explains it perfectly. The country itself. I would fight to save it from the people that currently run it. But I would not fight for (in service of) the country and the people that currently run it.
The country isn’t, like, its own entity. America isn’t real. There isn’t some ideological spirit of America that you can separate from the people that run it. At most you could argue that America is also its culture, but uh, the culture has been pretty fucking bad since the start!
American society is terrible. America’s government is terrible. American culture is terrible. It’s an irredeemable shithole country.
What the fuck would you fight for?
Actually there is. They talk and talk and talk about it ad nauseam. They simply just do it rhetorically and always fail to embody it. Even countries with a traditionally large immigrant population like the United States have a lot more culturally that tends to bind, then they have differences that divide. And after all what is a country? If not the people in it?
Two things not mentioned it that article:
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Why would anyone want to fight for a country that is so callously disinterested in the welfare of it’s citizens?
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In the last quarter-century it has become extremely apparent that the US Military is not the “global force for good” that it wants to portray itself as. Most young people probably aren’t interested in joining up to commit war crimes in the name of making money for the military industrial complex.
Never has been the global force for good
I mean… defeating the Nazis?
After Germany declared war on them? They didn’t defeat them out of good will, in fact, I’d say America and South Africa were the closest things to Nazi Germany outside of the Reich
Is it good to beat the shit out of the school bully after he picks a fight with you so he learns to stop picking fights with people? I would say so.
Not if you’re quite similar to that bully
There’s a difference between being a good country and being a global force for good. In helping to defeat the Nazis, the U.S. was a global force for good regardless of what else they did, had done or will do. The same with Stalinist Russia.
And then they took all the top scientists from Germany and Japan, who were guilty of crimes against humanity, and made them high ups in the American government
You know that was more so Russia right?
I would say it was a combined effort, but Russia suffered a lot more. They didn’t liberate Paris though.
It was a combined effort, but Russia did most of the work and lost most of the lives? Nice
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