Like it or not, years of insight, experience and expertise live in Reddit threads. But accessing some of them just got harder.
This is how protests work. You inconvenience other people so that they pressure the target of the protests to give in to the protesters. Never understand why people from that country do not get this
Absolutely! A lot of people seem to think a protest is shooting yourself in the foot and complaining about it. No, a protest is causing a ruckus so that everyone - protestors or not - get frustrated with the target of the protest. The point is to screw up search results on Google. The point is to make the “front page of the internet” an empty shell.
I went on reddit briefly to see if anything I subscribe to is polling to extend their blackout. r/DCcomics had a poll filled to the brim with “stay open, I’m slightly inconvenienced!” comments. These guys have clearly never been a part of or needed to protest for their basic rights before.
The mainstream view has lost a lot of that spirit, but plenty of Americans go just as hard as the French. Our corporate media downplays or slants the perception of protestors to make them seem like a noisy misguided minority when all we’re usually asking for is basic dignity.
Then the news media goes off and makes any anti-protest vehicular homicide a celebrity, and right wing nuts flock to their go fund me pages.
It’s not that we’re as bad as we look, mostly.
I think we need to start thinking about the hard work of moving a lot of that essential information from Reddit to open community wikis.
I would be down to help if such an effort becomes reality.
So would I. Particularly for the “how do I solve this super specific problem?” troubleshooting posts. Those are treasures.
Me as well, we could automate a good chunk of it using web archive
Yup, I’ve already been really frustrated by this… Google’s search results are so useless, full of advertisements, blogspam, astroturfing, etc, the only way to read about genuine reviews and experiences about stuff is to add " reddit" to the end of my search queries.
I figured out yesterday that if you go to the Google cached version, you can still see old posts. If I try it on mobile, the cached option isn’t there, but on my PC I can click the (…) next to the search result, and click the cached option. Trying to figure out how to do that with mobile.
I fully support the blackout and I am trying to keep my Reddit traffic to a minimum, but I was trying to figure out a technical problem yesterday and it was a huge pain to find anything useful. Way too much SEO crap to wade through.
Well that’s our fault for letting information get congregated in a centralized service to be fair. Any information that is stored without redundancy on a single service should be considered already lost.
The Fediverse doesn’t fix this by the way, as far as I know. The data can be accessed from other instances, but as I understand it the data still lives on the instance. The day an instance does, poof, all the information it contains goes away.
But! It makes it easier to make information redundant, by having an instance that automatically archives information for example.
We had a problem, many people knew that we had a problem but we did nothing to fix it. We have the same issue on StackOverflow or even GitHub, by the way (although the latter is a bit mitigated by people having local copies of the repositories for example). It will come bite us in the arse one day.
RIP to everything lost on Geocities.
It will never be possible to preserve all information forever, nor do we need to, but we could certainly do better than the usual thus far.
I was glad to be a contributor to the Geocities archival effort.
ArchiveTeam have software called “Warrior” that you can run to help with their archival efforts. I’m running it on a few spare VPSes. It’s a Python app and they provide both a VM and a Docker container (you can use either). Their current list of projects is here: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Projects#Current_projects. You can pick which ones you want to help with.
Hopefully those communities that choose to stay dark indefinitely will migrate at least some of their information to external platforms for non-reddit access.
I doubt they’d be able/go so far as to export all the threads, but I’m thinking that it’d be nice if the communities with robust and informative wikis would at least make those available elsewhere. Same with the Fediverse too; I feel like any compilation of information like a wiki ought to be hosted elsewhere for some form of redundancy if possible.
Migrating the knowledge is one part but it doesn’t fix the dead links in the search results from major search providers. And, unfortunately, that is a hard problem to solve because a static (or nearly static) page like a wiki on a niche website doesn’t necessarily get the same ranking in the indexer as a community on Reddit would.
Yeah that’s true. The only hope at that point would be to copy the search result and plug it into the wayback machine and cross your fingers. If this keeps up, I wonder if the algorithms at Google et al. would start to de-prioritize reddit links over time.
This has already been affecting me a bit. Now I’m not complaining because I fully support it. But I’ve recently been looking up product suggestions, tech help, etc and many of the reddit links in the search results were private communities. I was like “oh so this is actually having an impact at least.”
I actually wish more subs would stay dark, especially since the CEO was basically like “they’ll get over it soon”
It is unfortunate for sure. I’ve come across this issue already.
But that experience hasn’t been great for a while anyway. Reading through comment chains is a nightmare on new desktop reddit. Looking forward to hopefully replacing ‘reddit’ with ‘lemmy’ in my search queries, hopefully sooner rather than later.Yep, this just demonstrates how we shouldn’t rely on one entity to be the arbiter of community information. It should get better over time.
Same here, everytime I ever saw reddit in my search results I’d audibly sigh. How they’ve managed to make their user experiences so extremely hostile is beyond me.
Good. They should stay closed. Sadly a lot of subs are capitulating and opening up again.
Fewer than I thought though, I would have thought the whole thing would have evaporated by now.
Hold the line!
Love isn’t always on time!
I’m seeing the amount of closed subs decrease every hour. This morning there were over 7000 still closed and now it’s just 6510.
That’s because America has woken up. Given that the blackout was planned for 2 days I’m actually quite encouraged that there are still 6500 after then. Even many of the ones that have opened have opened pending further discussion on the next steps. I’m not optimistic about the overall outcome for Reddit, but the more people that can be driven to alternatives the better.
It’s only 6170 now :(. I’m losing hope.
Regardless if they come back or not, it doesn’t mean you have to go back. :)
True, and I’m not! I deleted all my shit and I’m not going to post there anymore. I might read a Reddit post if it comes up when I Google something (because there still is a lot of good information on Reddit that can’t be found anywhere else) but I’m not contributing. It’s a shame though, I really liked giving away spare game keys etc. on Reddit.
that’s why I hope that some subs go read-only. keeps the information that has been gathered over the last few years, while making it so people mostly don’t interact with it in their feeds anymore
This would be the perfect balance. Prevent Reddit from monetizing the subs any further, but keep a record of all the information that was shared since the creation of that sub.
exactly. hurts reddit without affecting the community a whole lol.
Funnily enough, this would make my move to Lemmy/KBin easier.
I’ve been trying to compile a list of the subreddits I followed so I can find their Lemmy/KBin equivalents. But if a sub goes private (instead of read-only), it disappears from your subscribed list until it’s re-opened.
And since I both subscribed to a ton of subs and had a terrible memory, I’m constantly worried that my list is incomplete.
Not the worst and not the best reporting. I am surprised how many people apparently use reddit as a search engine given how many posts I saw in various subs that implied the poster never heard of a search engine given that there was another thread asking the same thing like 5 hours beforehand.
It is interesting they point out that Twitter style short form posts do not actually contain information people would be searching for. Also kind of sad that useful discussion is seen as ild fashioned and “modern” is short videos. I hate video results when I’m searching for something because if it even actually addresses the question it’s 3-10 minutes of what is actually 2 sentences of answer. Such a waste of time.
Good. That is the whole point.
Maybe search results should link to archives rather than live urls
It’s one extra step to put archive.is/ in front of any dark reddit url.
Is that really a thing? When I search for anything I very, very rarely see a Reddit link in the results. The last time I remember was a question about i3wm.
Reddit frequently pops up when I look for answers to tech questions.
Yeah I’ve noticed this a few times already. Cached pages have worked so far for me.
I often specifically used to search eg.
site:reddit.com turboencabulator reviewor whatever, because on many topics just searching the entire web with Google will give you pages and pages of absolute garbage by sites that mainly exist to churn out (often stolen) low quality search keyword-laden content – especially on tech stuff – to generate ad viewsI think they might mean folks who are using google to search reddit, for example, the search term “migrating to lemmy reddit”. I know I append “reddit” to a lot of my google searches and now with the blackout, those search results will only take you to a private page for the subreddit.
I was trying to lookup stuff about mechanical keyboards on ddg earlier today, and several results on the first page were reddit threads. So it can definitely happen with some other hobbies/topics I imagine.
Reddit pops up all the time when I’m searching for questions I have about DIY projects around my house, as inevitably someone else has asked the exact same question in the DIY or HomeImprovement subreddits. Same for technology questions.
Kagi can filter out reddit automatically with it’s lenses. You can do something sort of similar manually with
-site:reddit.comin your query.Another alternative is just using wayback machine to access reddit. That way they don’t get your traffic!
I wonder if there is an import script that can migrate threads and comments over to Lemmy
🤔wish I could code…
Luckily, the barrier for entry is having a computer and hands!
And a competent brain…
Yeah those are harder to acquire
And reddit -> lemmy migration script is going to be one of the easiest thing you can write. That is without the API limit and the sheer amount being the biggest problem…
There are import scripts - the problem is that Reddit has disabled the Pushshift API end of March, which makes data exporting significantly harder. There are some archives from before that available as torrent, and there has been effort from r/datahoarders to archive and submit it to archive.org before the shutdown.
I’ve been looking into that for our sub, and concluded it’s currently not sensible - so in case we decide to reopen restricted for archive access I created a bot that re-posts Lemmy postings into the locked subreddit for discoverability, and adds a comment to drive users out for commenting.
I have thought about writing something like that. We probably would want to do it 1 subreddit at a time to back up to a specific community.
Is that something we think we would need or want? I haven’t done it yet because I don’t want Lemmy to just be a Reddit content aggregator, I want us to have our own content and communities.
It is the techical help that hurts the most. Raspberry Pi, Linx and Steam Deck are the big ones I find help for on Reddit.
But to be fair it just encourages me to search harder elsewhere, or better yet forces me to tinker more myself to find the solutions.
Regardless, it is a wealth of users that the users have given for free for so long.
