1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
I think its far more likely that its a gps collar
Think about it this way, for years hasans invited a wide variety of people to come be part of his stream. Now, I’ve met some real pieces of shit in my life that absolutely wouldn’t stand for a dog having a shock collar. Surely someone, anyone would have asked about it? Called him out on stream or in a tweet? Most I’ve seen is a clip (this one specifically) of some person saying the collar was too tight, which is a concern but something very easily remedied and was certainly unintentional.
The dog looks well fed, well groomed, he shows the dog off during streams all the time. I just don’t buy the story here.
It blows my mind that you guys can’t watch these streams and read the emotional cues on display there (Hasan’s and the dog’s).
Tribalism is a hell of a drug, I guess. If seeing it directly will not change your mind, then it seems unlikely that anything I say is going to.
(You need to tell the Hasan sub on reddit about your theory. They’re saying it’s obviously an AirTag collar, and being incredibly condescending about how stupid the people are who can’t see that, and also that she obviously did some specific thing to hurt herself and that’s why she yelped. Again: Nothing I can say is going to be impactful if seeing the video directly and how angry he gets at the dog for simply existing or having a neck doesn’t impact how you look at this guy.)
Careful, if you keep reaching like this you’ll pull something
Gotcha. What kind of AirTag collar has a little flashing green light on the back again?
The kind with a power indicator light? A lot of electronic devices have them so you can easily tell with a glance whether it needs to be recharged or not, and a GPS tracking collar with a dead battery isn’t very useful so that would make a whole lot more sense than your entirely baseless hypothesis
Sounds good.
I’m not asking what the explanation for any of these events is. I’m just asking what one potential possible innocent explanation for any of them could be.
Of course, you’re committed to the bit at this point, so I fully expect that you will do a Karoline Leavitt and redirect away from answering these reasonable questions, or pretend these are crazy things to speculate about and it makes no sense, or just loftily indicate that the time for discussion is past. Go on, knock yourself out.
You have no idea what device(s) are attached to that collar, any assertion to the contrary is bullshit. Even if it were a shock collar those are fairly common in dog training, most people who aren’t PETA-type nutjobs would not consider their responsible use to be inherently abusive
Both paws have dewclaws, they don’t face the same direction, fucking duh, and I can plainly see the dog climbing into the bed in a way where it could get one caught on the fabric
It sounds like he’s annoyed at the dog and scolded it, which happens and is not in any way indicative of abuse. I work remote and I’ve got a 2yo german shepherd who likes to interrupt my client calls by harassing the cats or climbing into my lap or galloping loudly into the room, occasionally I have to raise my voice and make her go lay down even though she clearly would prefer not to. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if his dog were similarly in time-out for shenanigans that occured prior to this very short clip, perfectly normal non-abuse explanation for why he would be annoyed and why the dog would be expected to stay on the bed at least temporarily.
Lol @ “committed to the bit” coming from you, projecting so hard you’re gonna burn the screen babe. You’re clearly looking for any excuse you can find to discredit Hasan, and you’re gonna have to do a lot better than this. For all I know he may be a fucking serial killer but I haven’t seen any proof of it yet, calling this video evidence of animal abuse is only going to damage what little credibility you might have.
Your dog training technique is that the dog is in “time out” for 6-8 hours of streaming and has to stay on her little platform? Because of some unrelated misbehavior off stream?
You don’t want to speculate about what the device next to the AirTag could potentially be. Because who can say, even? Lots of little devices have little flashing lights on them. It is a mystery. Yes, very Karoline, much Leavitt.
Your boy’s a POS. I have no strong preexisting opinions about the guy beyond a vague general positive alignment with his politics, but having now heard his “defenders” try to talk about how he definitely didn’t shock that dog that we all clearly saw him shock because he wanted her to stay on the platform, I have come to the conclusion that whatever he’s pushing must definitely not be a good thing. I hope God has a mean sense of humor, that’s all I can say about it.
If you want to step through the video one frame at a time to see the position of both paws (left one standing meaning the dewclaw’s not in contact with anything, and right one with a shadow clearly indicating the separation between her leg and the metal-not-fabric bar next to it, and also the dewclaw pretty visible I think as a little dark spot on the back side of her leg), you’re welcome to. I started to step through with mpv and grab the specific frames, but I got too annoyed to even continue with it. If you do wind up doing that, make sure you step forward 30 more frames so you can see her heartbreakingly submissive posture, tail down, head crouched low, looking at the ground, and Hasan whipped around in his chair yelling “Stop!” at her.
You do not have evidence of 6-8 hours, you have a 56 second clip.
You want to speculate because it’s the best you’ve got, rather than being honest and admitting you don’t have any evidence you’re more than happy to make shit up
“I have no strong preexisting opinions” lol not believable in the slightest, do better
Buddy, have you never snapped at a pet before? I’m not gonna claim hasan is a saint, but you bet your ass I’ve gotten upset at my dog before, sometimes when maybe I shouldn’t have.
There is a disconnect here between what happened and the response people are having about it. You can say he was mean, sure, I don’t think any of his behavior especially when its a one off thing, constitutes animal abuse though. Not in a legal sense, and not in any consistently applied social sense either.
And I think the reason that there is this disconnect is because several communities primed and ready to hate hasan are willing to pick out anything less than perfect and make mountains out of molehills.
I notice this is a really common accusation also.
My reaction is the same as the woman in the clip’s reaction. Take her final facial expression, and that’s my reaction. It has literally 0 to do with anything that some kind of surely equally groupthink-ing community on the “other” side has to say about it.
The problem that woman had was likely addressed in the small period of time hasan and her are finagling with the collar shortly after she brought it up.
Her emotional response is not proof of a shock collar, she never brought up a shock collar, she only said the collar was too tight.
Why are you convinced that this “likely” happened?
Also, do you have any kind of guess about why Hasan and the people in these comments so consistently use the logic of “well you must be from this other community if you are ‘attacking’ me in this way” and sort of implying that means it must not be true? I mean, I’m not, but I don’t even get why that is an argument for why things in the videos are not what they appear to be.
I’m convinced it likely happened because he was fucking with the collar on stream right after it was brought up and it takes 20 seconds to fix? What the hell kinda question is that?
The reason people respond to you in this way is because the first places this was posted about was in the H3 and Destiny reddit communities, and those communities are known to not be very fond of hasan, and are known to waste their time looking for any tiny bit of wrong doing.
This will be the end of me engaging in this conversation.
Again, this just isn’t how I reason. It’s very bizarre to me. Generally the source of the information is pretty irrelevant unless it’s already someone I trust a lot. I look into it, if it makes sense to me, then I start to take it on, but it’s not like “this one is my tribe! Right all the time!” or “This one is the haters! Wrong all the time!” It’s all just people talking on the internet, and you have to scrutinize the actual information.
To me it seems like normal people (here and on reddit /r/all) having a pretty alarmed reaction to seeing these clips, and then Hasan stans relentlessly finding any random reason they possibly can to try to say it’s not a big deal. It’s an airtag collar obviously you moron, and also Hasan said it’s a vibration collar, and she clipped her dewclaw obviously, or he doesn’t actually know what happened anymore because he wasn’t looking, but she hurt herself somehow but that’s not important, anyway she was wearing a vibration collar, but that doesn’t matter because he didn’t vibrate her anyway, and anyway shock collars aren’t a big deal, they’re just like ants crawling on your skin, and anyway this is what all those Hasan haters always say and you’re obviously one of them, because you have this bad thing to say.
It’s just a bunch of nonsense. It literally just sounds like Fox News talking heads trying to justify something Trump did.
The world exists outside of 1min clips. Investigating a topic is more than watching a 1min clip and making a knee jerk assessment.
Maya especially would not stand for it. If Hasan abused his dog we would never see Maya anywhere near him, let alone be his friend of many years. This is just another smear attempt.