So the present is them supporting murder, the past was them catching slaves, but in a hypothetical future the alternative is to… pay money? We were asking for improvements before BLM and the police have taken us here. This is what they are and always have been, police are not going to improve.
This is addressed several other places in the thread. It’s replacing police with a different social structure - police are not just “when people protect things”.
Which do you believe? It’s replaced with something worse that will devolve into having to pay money, or replaced with the same thing, except for now they’re less murderous?
I think the police should be de-militarized. They shouldn’t be dressed up like they’re fighting in the mountains of Afghanistan. They don’t need body armor and helmets 99% of the time. They should have revolvers instead of automatics. The reason why cops used to carry revolvers in the 20th Century is exactly because of the panicky mag dumping we see all the time today. Better yet, they may need to just carry batons like UK police and have a small force of UK-style Authorized Firearms Officers for truly high risk situations.
Policing culture will change if they aren’t constantly training to shoot people. I watch a lot of police cam videos and the US and UK cops handle the same situations very, very differently. If ICE didn’t have guns when dealing with Good and Pretti, they would have been forced not to shoot them. It wouldn’t be part of their tool set and training.
They really shouldn’t be. They could have a small force of AFOs for very special operations. But I would imagine that 99% of situations they deal with don’t require guns.
So the present is them supporting murder, the past was them catching slaves, but in a hypothetical future the alternative is to… pay money? We were asking for improvements before BLM and the police have taken us here. This is what they are and always have been, police are not going to improve.
It’s a Catch 22 because no matter what you do, you’re replacing police with police. The same things are going to happen with the new police force.
This is addressed several other places in the thread. It’s replacing police with a different social structure - police are not just “when people protect things”.
Which do you believe? It’s replaced with something worse that will devolve into having to pay money, or replaced with the same thing, except for now they’re less murderous?
I think the police should be de-militarized. They shouldn’t be dressed up like they’re fighting in the mountains of Afghanistan. They don’t need body armor and helmets 99% of the time. They should have revolvers instead of automatics. The reason why cops used to carry revolvers in the 20th Century is exactly because of the panicky mag dumping we see all the time today. Better yet, they may need to just carry batons like UK police and have a small force of UK-style Authorized Firearms Officers for truly high risk situations.
Those are great security policies, but what about structural changes? What’s going to stop us from arriving here again?
Policing culture will change if they aren’t constantly training to shoot people. I watch a lot of police cam videos and the US and UK cops handle the same situations very, very differently. If ICE didn’t have guns when dealing with Good and Pretti, they would have been forced not to shoot them. It wouldn’t be part of their tool set and training.
Wouldn’t ICE and Border Patrol be Authorized Firearms Officers?
They really shouldn’t be. They could have a small force of AFOs for very special operations. But I would imagine that 99% of situations they deal with don’t require guns.
So how would we get this policy change, if not by changing the underlying structure like OP suggests?