Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.
Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.
Splitting this to a separate comment because it was too long:
I mean dude, not even close. Polish leftist parties were antiworker from the 90s. Anything further left was dismissed as “USSR was saying the same lies”. Fool me once kind of thing.
Add to that the short time where there was upwards mobility in the country when it first became “capitalists”, as well as fhe fact that in the past 20 years median personal real wealth grew.
Yup. The current generation is seeing that the wealth is unequally distributed (1% owns 45% of wealth), as well as all those rentier leeches, banks making record profits year after year, and the Facebook/Tiktok ( or generally USA right wing) propaganda is turning like 10% into MAGA-style idiots, and the rest is also slowly radicalizing. We do see that in the below 35 age group the left-leaning is still strongest, but the PIS and Konfederacja are following Repulican party strategies and gaining tracktion.
So in other words, the far-right used the standard red-scare playbook to purge communists and socialists, and now Poland has immense disparity and is entirely controlled by the far-right.
No, don’t hyperbolize. This isn’t your narrative.
No. It was everyone in the free Poland. We were rebelling constantly under USSR occupation.
No. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=PL&start=1985 But we do see foreign corporations leeching from us and actively enshittifying. The home ownership rate is decreasing.
That depends what you mean by far right. I’d call the current political landscape of Poland as right-centrist PO in coalition with centrists (the rest of the coalition) vs (oppositon) right-centrist PiS with (growing) republican-clone Konfederacja
No, it was not “everyone in the free Poland.” Many Polish people opposed the dissolution of socialism. Further, disparity in Poland is high, and the foreign companies plundering Poland is a direct consequence of the dissolution of socialism, purging of the left, and the dominance of the far-right.
??? We’re famously the only country in the EU that wasn’t affected by it. Please be critical of what you read.
What a garbage article you sent here.
I literally send you a credible source that shows its similar to 1985 year. Are you saying that it was high during USSR occupation or ignoring the source?
From the source linked:
Why was Polish GDP flatlining? Why did millions leave Poland?
Not only is the gini coefficient misleading, but it only goes back to 1985 in your source. Upon the adoption of capitalism, Poland has had unstable growth to even flatlining, is now being sold out to foreign companies, and again, has purged its left in favor of the far-right.
You’re confusing my critique that USSR sucked for Poland with your imagination that means I must love capitalism?
Are you both stupid? I figured how you calculated that. You both took a look at the “Polish GDP in USD” and compared.
In 2007 USD to PLN was ~2.77 exchange rate.
In 2008 it was ~2.41 because USA had recession.
In 2015 it was ~3.4 because USA is again corporating and stealing.
This is GDP, but adjusted for PPP (PPP = how much shit we can buy locally) for Poland:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=PL&start=1990
Did not go down in 2008.
The idiot you’re quoting would have to compare, p25, p50 and p90 income adjusted for inflation between those years, which they didn’t. And if they did, they’d notice it was up. The only dip we had in 2022.
Prove it. You make wild claims, prove them.
(Also I’m curious what you think about China then since they gave up on communism if favour of their current flavour of capitalism leeching off of worker class)
You’re batting pretty hard for capitalism and against socialism.
Amazing, Poland is getting dominated by foreign capital just like it was before it was socialist and somehow that’s not connected to it being capitalist again for you.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=PL
The PRC is a socialist country, they never gave up on communism. Public ownership remains the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes remain in charge of the state. The PRC is rapidly rising thanks to socialism, while capitalist states in the global north are dying away. Pretty positive about the PRC, though like every state it’s imperfect.
You’re confusing USSR with being a socialist country. I’m batting against USSR.
This is GDP growth in percentage compared to last year… Are you suggesting it should grow up by more percent every year?
https://jacobin.com/2019/06/tiananmen-square-worker-organization-socialist-democracy
So I assume the Tiananmen Square protests (also) against leaving communism and implementing capitalistic worker class leeching did not happen in your world?
I mean they can call themselves whatever they want, but their duck quacks eerily similarly to the capitalistic duck. At least according to the people who went through their reforms into current state?