• Kaspar Houser @feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    The US is such a weird place. You deeply care about people returning their checks notes shopping carts, but maaan housing for people?!

    If that person would spend their energy to try to change the actual issues instead of bothering people that slightly behave wrong, they may have already solved the “shopping cart crisis”.

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      While I don’t necessarily agree with the guys techniques, I think the putting yourself before everyone else attitude that is the cause of this behaviour is actually s big problem that causes all manner of other problems down the line. If people respect their fellow peoples society will function much better.

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        The thing is that it’s absolutely illusory that we as humans evolve beyond that. Everyone behaves like this in one way or another. It is heavily based on our subjective standpoint.

        In this case it’s shopping carts. In your case it’s (probably) eating meat. In my case it’s using a lot of electricity. In your neighbor’s case …

        So, now we can pick out scapegoats and collapse on them, or we can think about solutions that accept this fact.

        Hint, if that person put that energy to promote a pledge based system he wouldn’t have to make a clown out of himself and make people angry for no reason. He would solve the issue profoundly without having to constantly fight senslessly.

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          The thing is that it’s absolutely illusory that we as humans evolve beyond that

          Sounds like that makes it important for us to focus on it, culturally.

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            Absolutely agree. It’s just about “how”. Do you think that clown show in the video is in any way constructive?

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              Indirectly, yes. He’s ridiculous, but by engaging with him everyone in the video (the people not returning the carts) looks ridiculous.

              I don’t watch enough to see if there’s people who do return them, but I imagine they look a lot more normal than the alternative.

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                Even if people return them, it does not help the case in any way. They do it now, yes. The other “shopping cart terrorists” are totally unaffected. Also the majority of those who returned the cart will eventually go back to not returning it.

                This is not a profound solution. This is just a clown show for social media.

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      Bingo, not returning the shopping cart is a great metric for whether someone is a decent person as the only reason to do it is because it is the most helpful thing to do for others, BUT it isn’t a real problem in society that needs addressing.

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        If you truly believe things like “returning a shopping cart” is a quality metric to determine something that complex, you are either naive or plain stupid. Sorry.

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          The only reason to put it away is to help others. If you are willing to do that you can likely be trusted to do the bare minimum for a group and if you aren’t you cannot be counted on for common courtesy. This isn’t a particularly challenging concept. Im not sure why you are failing but I can’t make people competent.

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            With that logic we’d have only decent people in Germany. Yet, we don’t have people screaming at each other like lunatics in super market parking lots. (Alone that you think that this is an acceptable behavior/solution is hilarious in itself.)

            Wait. Could it be? Could it maybe (just maybe) be because we need to pledge money for a shopping cart? 🤔 It will remain a mystery.

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              It’s good to know that English is not your first language as that explains how you are entirely missing the part where I mention this isn’t a real problem.

              The fact that my posts are only two to three sentences suggests that you likely have a severe memory problem.

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      Both are solvable problems which our society chooses not to solve. I remember the first time outside the U.S. when I saw a shopping cart where you insert a coin to unlock it from the pack. Certainly not as easy to solve homelessness, right now outside some small but promising pilot projects for ‘housing first’ it appears most people are still stuck in the stage of complaining unhoused folks lower their property values.

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      This cartnarcs weirdo just harasses random people who are clearly struggling, you can’t do this ethically in a country with this kind of mental health crisis going on.

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        how are they struggling so much with a mental health crisis that they can drive to the store, grab a cart, fill the cart with groceries, pay, take cart back to car to fill car with groceries but the line is drawn at putting the cart back where it’s not blocking people?

        And don’t get me wrong, i agree cartnarcs people are weird and borderline harassing, but why is it some kind of mental health crisis that we’re blaming instead of just plain old arrogance? Do you always just see people being assholes in public and chalk it up to an assumption that they’re struggling mentally?

        This line of thought it borderline concern trolling. Like, what?