OPINION: After the auditor general’s explosive Greenbelt report, resignations and further investigations are the only way to restore some sense of integrity

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    1 year ago

    Sorry…you were going to tell my why you think this was completely above board when 15 of 16 changed benefited Doug Ford’s rich developer buddies.

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      No, I wasn’t. I have no reason for a new topic, especially one so boring. What is one going to even say other than repeat the same speculation made a million times before? I know nothing more than you do with respect to your question and it is likely that I know a lot less. I defer to your expertise.

      Our discussion about understanding why you decided to use MPAC prices in your comment was just fine, and one not needing someone to guess arbitrarily for no reason. Using MPAC figures may have been a reasonable choice, but we are looking for you to explain your reason for choosing this particular methodology amid its obvious pitfalls.

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        No, we weren’t. We were talking about the abject corruption of the Ford Government. You tried to turn it into a pedantic argument about the source of my numbers.

        So, about that abject corruption. Why do you think that 15 of 16 of the changes benefited Doug Ford’s rich developer friends, you know the ones, they attended his daughters wedding and got fat, government patronage appointments?

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          We were talking about the abject corruption of the Ford Government.

          Okay, and from that what have you learned that you didn’t already know?

          You tried to turn it into a pedantic argument about the source of my numbers.

          Well, you were asked why you felt MPAC numbers were better than land registry numbers. I assume you are not a chicken when your head cut off and therefore are putting thought into your actions, so understanding why you made that decision provides us with useful information. If you want to talk about what is going on, we need a shared understanding. I don’t want to flail around like a chicken with my head cut off either. That would be stupid and pointless.

          Why do you think that 15 of 16 of the changes benefited Doug Ford’s rich developer friends, you know the ones, they attended his daughters wedding and got fat, government patronage appointments?

          Again, I defer to your expertise. I do not yet have the knowledge to speak intelligently to the matter. Hopefully I can get there someday, but I can’t even get an answer to some of the cursory questions without some lame attempt to change the subject, so it is not looking good.

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            1 year ago

            You don’t need to defer to my expertise. It’s all in the report. The Ford government is abjectly corrupt. Ford is abjectly corrupt. It doesn’t really matter what numbers you use the end result is still the same. If rich, connected developers are making billions of dollars of profit that is billions of dollars that are not benefiting the people of Ontario. Had this been done fairly and transparently with other developers involved the people might (probably would have gotten) a much better benefit. This wasn’t don’t to improve the housing situation. Improving the housing situation was the cover for corruptly giving billions of dollars of benefit to rich, connected, friends of Doug Ford.

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              1 year ago

              The Ford government is abjectly corrupt. Ford is abjectly corrupt.

              And 1+1=2. I’m glad we both got our chance to randomly state the obvious for no reason. Now, let’s return to the discussion:

              1. From that [with regards to the discussion you are having] what have you learned that you didn’t already know?
              2. Why MPAC data?
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                I didn’t use MPAC data. I’m not even sure what data you’re referring to. All the nonsense and childish naivety that I’ve been half assedly (is that even a word) responding to for the last couple of days just sort if blends together. Nothing I’ve said over the past couple of days was even remotely important to me, certainty not nearly as important as is was to those who were spitting and hissing and shitting in their own hands and flinging it at me. I’m not even sure which community this thread was in. I know I stumbled into onguardfotthe (or are there two E’s?) and poked a nest of sjwtankies. They’ve been meticulously downvoting my every comment and I just don’t care.

                So, I didn’t give you a straight answer because I wasn’t invested enough to know where my data came from and I honestly suspect that I just pulled it out of my ass (unless I posted a link to something then it was just some numbers that seemed reasonable.) The numbers weren’t important to me at all and I wasn’t going to let them distract me from the actual point of my comment which was, Ford its abjectly corrupt.

                This probably isn’t a satisfying answer for you but it’s the truth.

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                  Ford being corrupt has nothing to do with the discussion, so I fail to see how it could be the point, but given that you claim to have no awareness as to what is going on that explains that.

                  But if we were to make it part of the discussion, the thing is, the Premier’s position is hired by the MPPs, who are hired by the constituents. In other words, Ford is just a lowly third-rank nobody. That you have allowed a third-rank employee’s corruption to cut so deep speaks to there being bigger problems at the actual top – no doubt because the top brass is busy nonsensically trolling people on LinkedIn and not doing their actual job managing the workers hired. How do we resolve that?

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                    Ford being corrupt has nothing to do with the discussion

                    Well…the title of the article is, “The Greenbelt report proves it: The Ford government is corrupt” so there is that.

                    But […] hired.

                    That’s some…weapons grade nonsense.

                    How do we resolve that?

                    Well…the obvious answer is to vote him out of office but the dumbth are allowed to vote and they can be distracted with a buck a beer while the premier spends $400 million of taxpayer money building a parking garage for an exclusive private spa being built on public land with a super secret 99 year lease or orchestrating a land flip in the greenbelt which benefits 15 of his rich, developer friends.

                    A friend in the US suggested that there should be a requirement to pass a civics exam to establish that you have enough basic knowledge of how the country works, the laws, the constitution, your rights, the electoral system, etc. work BEFORE you’re allowed to vote. That doesn’t work, of course, because the dumbth have just as much right to vote under our constitution as smart folks with the necessary knowledge. As long as our system lets the lowest common denominator vote they’re going to be manipulated into voting against their own best interests, the best interests of their families, their communities, and the country.

            • jerkface@lemmy.ca
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              1 year ago

              I have no idea who you think you’re arguing with but goddamn you’re determined to argue with them.

              • Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                I’m not really arguing with anyone in particular. I’m not even sure that I was responding to the correct thread with most of the things I wrote today. I was just killing time between doing my day job and tormenting a romance scammer on LinkedIn.