Ukraine regularly publishes drone footage from their own divisions named after nazis, using nazi symbols. Also, look up Azov. This is not propaganda, Ukraine is making themselves look bad.
This is called trolling/ragebaiting, if you haven’t known.
Guys got so tired of being called Nazi that they decided to jokingly look like them for the whole purpose of making Russians angry. I agree that this isn’t the smartest decision, but still doesn’t mean that they are Nazis. Ukraininas are Nationalists, these are different terms.
Hate to break it to you, but nazism aint fucking funny to normal people. Normal people don’t clad themselves in fucking totenkopfs, don’t design obvious dog whistles as their insignia and don’t do fackelzugs in their free time.
Can you at least read properly someone’s quote before replying? Firstly, I don’t support Nazis and decision of Ukrainians to start this trolling tactic. Secondly, being sane and trully Nazi(not cosplaying) are different things. I never said that Ukrainians remained fully sane after whole these years of Russian terror. Also, for some reason, no one was accusing Ukraine of being Nazi state(and not nationalist) before Russia done it. Suspicious, moscovite. /pby
Nationalists care about their culture, suvernity and national interests. But, in the same time, they aren’t racists and authoritarians. They don’t oppress minorities, don’t invade in other countries. Core idea: they don’t mind other nations for as long as they’re not attacking their home, culture, suvernity.
Sources are either western liberal or ukrainian. OSW recently did azov apologia, no different to what you’re doing here. Assuming you’re sincere in your consideration for ukrainian people it’s quite strange that you chose this particular hill to die on.
By whitewashing actual problems you don’t help in resolving this war whatsoever.
Secondly, being sane and trully Nazi(not cosplaying) are different things.
The only people cosplaying nazis are, in fact, nazis.
Also, for some reason, no one was accusing Ukraine of being Nazi state(and not nationalist) before Russia done it. Suspicious, moscovite.
This is just “You SJWs called us nazis so we’re gonna troll you by dressing and acting like nazis and doing nazi things.” You know what we call those guys? Nazis. I don’t care if you think you’re just kidding, anyone who wears those symbols has declared themselves an enemy of humanity and will be deservedly rocked.
Because of it is pointless to say something like this without understanding terms “nazism” and “nationalism”. In Ukraine there are Nationalists, not Nazis.
Nationalists care about their culture, suvernity and national interests. But, in the same time, they aren’t racists and authoritarians. They don’t oppress minorities, don’t invade in other countries.
Core idea: they don’t mind other nations for as long as they’re not attacking their home, culture, suvernity.
Nazis, on the other hand, are racist and authoritarian militaristic groups, that hate others and think that only they are superior. They have dictatorship regimes, state controls all the society. They invade other countries, perform genocide.
Ukrainians were OK about Russians do whatever they want in Russia, be non-repressed minority in Ukraine and coexist as independent friendly country, that does inside itself what it wants, joins whatever union of countries it wants without asking Russia a permission.
But Russian government wanted Ukraine as a state puppet to control and use it. Ukrainians said no and started resisting it by showing Nationalism - protecting their suvernity. Russian government, as I agree, tried to force Ukraine into submission peacefully at first, but failed, so then it got angry, gaslighted russians into thinking that Ukraine is bad and invaded it. Moreover, because of Russian government failed their initial military operation, they started targeting civilians on both occupied and non-occupied territories of Ukraine(it is pointless to deny this fact, because of no matter if Russian military intentionally does it or it just has terrible aim, the fact of attacking civilians exists for years already).
Basically, the similar situation then appeared in actions of Israel in Gaza and other regions, which others call Nazism. So, it looks like Russia checks suspiciously a lot of boxes in the Nazism description, don’t you think?
I am not going to label anyone Nazi, but I’m tired of seeing that others do this labeling simply by repeating by someone else without analyzing what they are saying.
So, the problem with this post is that these are Ukrainian Nationalists, who use any military force available to defend themselves from Russian invasion, not Nazis. Call things by their names, please.
Some idiots in Ukraine got tired of being labeled as Nazi and decided to match this description for the sake of ragebaiting and trolling Russians. Because of this decision now it is even harder to get rid of Nazi labeling for the whole country, while IRL Ukrainians are Nationalists.
Sadly, but idiotic decisions always ruin something. Can’t argue with it.
they wear nazi symbols, shell the shit out of russian citizens within their own borders, try to deny people from speaking russian and idolize a guy that tried to genocide ‘my people’ and succeeded in killing tens of thousands of them.
if that’s not nazi behaviour i don’t know what classifies as a nazi for you.
does it have to get so far that they specifically speak german and exterminate undesirable people on an industrial scale before you deem them worthy to be called nazis?
it’s wild how you handwaive this away and just dismiss it as ‘russian propaganda’
also: if you look at the past check who wanted to control ukraine as a puppet and tried to change their consitution to allow big landgrabs for western companies aswell as forced them to dismantle their social services (hint: it starts with E and ends with U)
this war is horrible and the death count is in the millions by now. there’s no doubt about it. while russia has deliberately struck civilian infrastructure ukraine is doing the exact same thing. that’s their current “russians should not feel safe at home” tactic. - you accuse one side of ‘nazi behaviour’ while the other does exactly the same.
do you even know why russia invaded? are you aware that this is about the donetsk and luhansk oblast, 2 regions which actually wanted to separate anyway but they got bombed to shit by the ukrainian army?
you won’t be seeing me unconditionally defending a state run by gangster oligarchs, on the other hand you will DEFINETLY not see me support a state that institutionalized nazi ideology and idolizes nazi collaborators!
I respect your efforts of typing such long reply, but can you at least not repeat lies and stupidity by others? I love how guys from russia find a tonn of excuses that invading other independent country is good, but are upset when those people are fighting back your invasion? Common, play the war game fair and state your motives clear like this:
*We, russians, want to occupy your land using any methods. If you don’t comply, we will use military force and all other methods to force you, starting from statements that you are a piece of shit and ending with psychological warfare. We will justify our actions with any methods available. And you can’t fight back because of it is unfair. And, yes, we will not stop war until it is too late for us, because of we don’t want to hurt our fragile ego. And yes, we aware that all the money, resources, time and people used for this war could have been indeed used to improve our own country instead of ruining its economic even further. Because of, why not? Our management is perfect. Thanks. *
could you please adress those “lies and stupidities by others”?
i am open to change my mind but you just dismissed whatever i said, even though my previous reply roughly adressed talking points from your statement.
i don’t even think i expressed any kind of personal support or tried to justify the invasion of ukraine, i pointed out that ukraine has a nazi problem.
So, is your whole argument literally only about minor similarities in names and looks of shoulder patches? Patches don’t even look the same except for the flower. And names are similar simply because of it is terms in military classifications, which are shared worldwide. This has no connection between ideologies.
They are both named mountain batalion/division Edelweiss.
Edelweiss is not a “military classification” is it?
Great choice for ukrainians naming themselves after a division known for their massive war crimes against jews/Poles,etc. there in WW2, among many other despicable things.
ukraine definitely has a large portion of the population with nazi ideology.
And they are proud of it. There are 100’s of examples.
You can try to whitewash all you want, those are facts
Just because the name is given to it by the little beggar doesn’t make it a military classification, it’s a name.
Looking at the history of the 10th Mountain Brigade, I don’t see that their commanding officer and founder, Vasyl Zubanych, has Nazi ties.
Of course you wouldn’t, you wouldn’t see a nazi if Bandera himself was in front of you.
the 10th Mountain Brigade was formed of what was left of the scum from the nazi Aidar batallion and some others.
Whatever that Zubanych is or isn’t doesn’t matter to the obvious link to the other mountain brigade of their nazi examples that operated in the same region.
Honestly, my best guess is that you are a Russian propagandist.
I expect nothing better from your ‘guess’ since you are wrong on everything else.
As pathetic as the zionist scum calling everyone Hamas or antisemitic if you dare criticize them
Showing some facts from the overwhelming evidence of massive fascism in ex-ukraine must be ‘Russian propaganda’ according to nazi apologists.
No need for evidence/sources then right?
Do you know that Edelweiss is the name of a flower, that grows in the mountains and is depicted on both the patches? The flower is the only connection in this case. Like, literally. It is a symbol of mountains in that region. It’s not the fault of others that Germany Nazi initially used it in WW2.
For your argument about other names and patches that have more direct connections: this roots to the idiotic decision of matching labeling for being Nazi for the sake of trolling and ragebaiting Russians. Not the smartest move, but labeling Ukrainians Nazi because of this is even more idiotic. They are Nationalists. Nationalists don’t do invasive territory expansions(like Russia or Israel) and don’t think that they are better than others(like Russian chauvinism or Israel supremacy ideology). Learn the differences, please.
They are nazis not ‘nationalists’, and proud of it.
And they tried to ethnic cleanse the east of ex-ukraine from ethnic Russians who that scum saw as inferior.
Quit your pathetic ‘trolling’ BS.
They were nazis long before Russia intervened.
And is shouting ‘jews out’ also trolling Russians?
You are simply a nazi apologist.
Ukraine is ruled by nazis and you’re simping for them, and bending over backwards to deny reality as “Russian propaganda” (hey, who else in history liked to do that?) makes you look like an even bigger sucker. Because deep down you know you’re denying the evidence of your eyes and ears, but admitting that means admitting the tankies were right, and that’s intolerable, so you keep on trucking towards Nuremburg.
Lol. Another bigot that doesn’t know the difference between terms of Nazism and Nationalism and worships Russia. Found some pictures(some of which are literally jokes) in internet as arguments and now justifies terroristic actions of Russia(that is clearly not an aggressive authoritarian state with policies very clear to Nazism itself). Go then invade the USA and Israel, I dare you.
And stop gaslighting everyone with such low efforts, this works only for idiots. /pby
The US news system is messed as fuck now. I don’t believe them no more since their government is corrupted to the core. Secondly, show the source. I want to see which newspaper publishes this in New York.
LOL. You are providing a broken link to the Facebook page of a guy, that is know for controversial quotes and who is supporting jews. Assuming his history of false accusations, he doesn’t look like very trustworthy source. But even so, how is he connected to the war between Ukraine and Russia? He is more connected to current war in Israel.
Secondly, I haven’t seen any trustworthy political figure accusing Ukraine in Nazi before Russia claimed it as a stupid excuse for invasion, instead of honestly stating its expansive motives. For me, this is you who is making excuses for protecting Russia and its agreesive actions. It is called bigotry, if you didn’t know. By your logic, Russia should have invaded Israel and then the USA months ago because of clear signs of Nazism there. Or, even more: we should then call Russians Fascists/Nazi also for their actions. Why don’t you call Russians so then?
the director of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, is some ‘controversial guy’ and not a trustworthy source? LOL nazi apologist.
Before 2017 nearly ALL western media have reported on ukrainian nazi scum.
After that the complicit western mouthpieces started downplaying it.
And stop your diverting about Russia or Shitrael, it’s as pathetic and transparent as your ‘trolling’ whitewashing BS.
Actually stop replying all together, you nazi apologists disgust me and you have embarrassed yourself enough since it’s obvious for anyone looking stuff up you’re lying and you’re excuses are a joke.
Some useless arguments and bigotry again. Someone doesn’t like the truth. Okay, if you don’t want to continue this dialog, no problem. I also don’t like to talk to a deaf expecting that he will hear me. The only funny thing for me is that how you are happened to choose lemmy.world instance and not lemmy.ml with your ideological persuasions. /pby
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Ukraine regularly publishes drone footage from their own divisions named after nazis, using nazi symbols. Also, look up Azov. This is not propaganda, Ukraine is making themselves look bad.
This is called trolling/ragebaiting, if you haven’t known.
Guys got so tired of being called Nazi that they decided to jokingly look like them for the whole purpose of making Russians angry. I agree that this isn’t the smartest decision, but still doesn’t mean that they are Nazis. Ukraininas are Nationalists, these are different terms.
this has never been so apt lmfao
Most terminally online thing I’ve ever heard
I’ll admit, I haven’t seen this level of cope justifying neo-Nazi units in Ukraine before. This is novel!
Oh fucking god, are you really this dense? that’s some ultra coping shit, I’ve never seen before. Did you cry while typing?
Hate to break it to you, but nazism aint fucking funny to normal people. Normal people don’t clad themselves in fucking totenkopfs, don’t design obvious dog whistles as their insignia and don’t do fackelzugs in their free time.
Begone hitlerite
Can you at least read properly someone’s quote before replying? Firstly, I don’t support Nazis and decision of Ukrainians to start this trolling tactic. Secondly, being sane and trully Nazi(not cosplaying) are different things. I never said that Ukrainians remained fully sane after whole these years of Russian terror. Also, for some reason, no one was accusing Ukraine of being Nazi state(and not nationalist) before Russia done it. Suspicious, moscovite. /pby
Sounds familliar? Surely ukrainian nazis don’t opress their women, queers, hungarians, russians and roma people. Surely they wouldn’t welcome russian nazis escaping crackdowns and then make jolly wee black metal together, they wouldn’t organize annual festival ofc! They would also celebrate their own culture instead of larping vikings!
Sources are either western liberal or ukrainian. OSW recently did azov apologia, no different to what you’re doing here. Assuming you’re sincere in your consideration for ukrainian people it’s quite strange that you chose this particular hill to die on. By whitewashing actual problems you don’t help in resolving this war whatsoever.
The only people cosplaying nazis are, in fact, nazis.
Certified
moment
At least since 2014 Ukraine has been accused to be a nazi friendly state.
LOL
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18192375
This is just “You SJWs called us nazis so we’re gonna troll you by dressing and acting like nazis and doing nazi things.” You know what we call those guys? Nazis. I don’t care if you think you’re just kidding, anyone who wears those symbols has declared themselves an enemy of humanity and will be deservedly rocked.
Those devious Russians FORCED the poor Ukranian military to sew fucking nazi symbols all over their uniforms:
You fascists in denial are just trying to convince yourselves at this point. You have to be, because you’re sure as shit not convincing anyone else.
how is pointing out a glaring issue with the ukrainian army russian propaganda?
Because of it is pointless to say something like this without understanding terms “nazism” and “nationalism”. In Ukraine there are Nationalists, not Nazis.
Nationalists care about their culture, suvernity and national interests. But, in the same time, they aren’t racists and authoritarians. They don’t oppress minorities, don’t invade in other countries. Core idea: they don’t mind other nations for as long as they’re not attacking their home, culture, suvernity.
Nazis, on the other hand, are racist and authoritarian militaristic groups, that hate others and think that only they are superior. They have dictatorship regimes, state controls all the society. They invade other countries, perform genocide.
Ukrainians were OK about Russians do whatever they want in Russia, be non-repressed minority in Ukraine and coexist as independent friendly country, that does inside itself what it wants, joins whatever union of countries it wants without asking Russia a permission.
But Russian government wanted Ukraine as a state puppet to control and use it. Ukrainians said no and started resisting it by showing Nationalism - protecting their suvernity. Russian government, as I agree, tried to force Ukraine into submission peacefully at first, but failed, so then it got angry, gaslighted russians into thinking that Ukraine is bad and invaded it. Moreover, because of Russian government failed their initial military operation, they started targeting civilians on both occupied and non-occupied territories of Ukraine(it is pointless to deny this fact, because of no matter if Russian military intentionally does it or it just has terrible aim, the fact of attacking civilians exists for years already).
Basically, the similar situation then appeared in actions of Israel in Gaza and other regions, which others call Nazism. So, it looks like Russia checks suspiciously a lot of boxes in the Nazism description, don’t you think?
I am not going to label anyone Nazi, but I’m tired of seeing that others do this labeling simply by repeating by someone else without analyzing what they are saying.
So, the problem with this post is that these are Ukrainian Nationalists, who use any military force available to defend themselves from Russian invasion, not Nazis. Call things by their names, please.
Then why use nazi symbols if you’re not a nazi?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/422nd_Unmanned_Systems_Regiment_(Ukraine)
Some idiots in Ukraine got tired of being labeled as Nazi and decided to match this description for the sake of ragebaiting and trolling Russians. Because of this decision now it is even harder to get rid of Nazi labeling for the whole country, while IRL Ukrainians are Nationalists.
Sadly, but idiotic decisions always ruin something. Can’t argue with it.
they wear nazi symbols, shell the shit out of russian citizens within their own borders, try to deny people from speaking russian and idolize a guy that tried to genocide ‘my people’ and succeeded in killing tens of thousands of them.
if that’s not nazi behaviour i don’t know what classifies as a nazi for you.
does it have to get so far that they specifically speak german and exterminate undesirable people on an industrial scale before you deem them worthy to be called nazis?
it’s wild how you handwaive this away and just dismiss it as ‘russian propaganda’
also: if you look at the past check who wanted to control ukraine as a puppet and tried to change their consitution to allow big landgrabs for western companies aswell as forced them to dismantle their social services (hint: it starts with E and ends with U)
this war is horrible and the death count is in the millions by now. there’s no doubt about it. while russia has deliberately struck civilian infrastructure ukraine is doing the exact same thing. that’s their current “russians should not feel safe at home” tactic. - you accuse one side of ‘nazi behaviour’ while the other does exactly the same.
do you even know why russia invaded? are you aware that this is about the donetsk and luhansk oblast, 2 regions which actually wanted to separate anyway but they got bombed to shit by the ukrainian army?
you won’t be seeing me unconditionally defending a state run by gangster oligarchs, on the other hand you will DEFINETLY not see me support a state that institutionalized nazi ideology and idolizes nazi collaborators!
🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
I respect your efforts of typing such long reply, but can you at least not repeat lies and stupidity by others? I love how guys from russia find a tonn of excuses that invading other independent country is good, but are upset when those people are fighting back your invasion? Common, play the war game fair and state your motives clear like this:
*We, russians, want to occupy your land using any methods. If you don’t comply, we will use military force and all other methods to force you, starting from statements that you are a piece of shit and ending with psychological warfare. We will justify our actions with any methods available. And you can’t fight back because of it is unfair. And, yes, we will not stop war until it is too late for us, because of we don’t want to hurt our fragile ego. And yes, we aware that all the money, resources, time and people used for this war could have been indeed used to improve our own country instead of ruining its economic even further. Because of, why not? Our management is perfect. Thanks. *
/pby
could you please adress those “lies and stupidities by others”?
i am open to change my mind but you just dismissed whatever i said, even though my previous reply roughly adressed talking points from your statement.
i don’t even think i expressed any kind of personal support or tried to justify the invasion of ukraine, i pointed out that ukraine has a nazi problem.
They aren’t very creative in their names either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_Mountain_Assault_Brigade [
https://www.wehrmacht.es/en/ss-sleeve-insignia/2440-waffen-ss-mountain-troop-sleeve-edelweiss-patch.html
So, is your whole argument literally only about minor similarities in names and looks of shoulder patches? Patches don’t even look the same except for the flower. And names are similar simply because of it is terms in military classifications, which are shared worldwide. This has no connection between ideologies.
They are both named mountain batalion/division Edelweiss.
Edelweiss is not a “military classification” is it? Great choice for ukrainians naming themselves after a division known for their massive war crimes against jews/Poles,etc. there in WW2, among many other despicable things.
ukraine definitely has a large portion of the population with nazi ideology.
And they are proud of it. There are 100’s of examples.
You can try to whitewash all you want, those are facts
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LOL nazi apologist.
Just because the name is given to it by the little beggar doesn’t make it a military classification, it’s a name.
Of course you wouldn’t, you wouldn’t see a nazi if Bandera himself was in front of you.
the 10th Mountain Brigade was formed of what was left of the scum from the nazi Aidar batallion and some others.
Whatever that Zubanych is or isn’t doesn’t matter to the obvious link to the other mountain brigade of their nazi examples that operated in the same region.
I expect nothing better from your ‘guess’ since you are wrong on everything else.
As pathetic as the zionist scum calling everyone Hamas or antisemitic if you dare criticize them
Showing some facts from the overwhelming evidence of massive fascism in ex-ukraine must be ‘Russian propaganda’ according to nazi apologists.
No need for evidence/sources then right?
Somebody should correct it in wikipedia
Do you know that Edelweiss is the name of a flower, that grows in the mountains and is depicted on both the patches? The flower is the only connection in this case. Like, literally. It is a symbol of mountains in that region. It’s not the fault of others that Germany Nazi initially used it in WW2.
For your argument about other names and patches that have more direct connections: this roots to the idiotic decision of matching labeling for being Nazi for the sake of trolling and ragebaiting Russians. Not the smartest move, but labeling Ukrainians Nazi because of this is even more idiotic. They are Nationalists. Nationalists don’t do invasive territory expansions(like Russia or Israel) and don’t think that they are better than others(like Russian chauvinism or Israel supremacy ideology). Learn the differences, please.
They are nazis not ‘nationalists’, and proud of it.
And they tried to ethnic cleanse the east of ex-ukraine from ethnic Russians who that scum saw as inferior.
Quit your pathetic ‘trolling’ BS.
They were nazis long before Russia intervened.
And is shouting ‘jews out’ also trolling Russians?
You are simply a nazi apologist.
Ukraine is ruled by nazis and you’re simping for them, and bending over backwards to deny reality as “Russian propaganda” (hey, who else in history liked to do that?) makes you look like an even bigger sucker. Because deep down you know you’re denying the evidence of your eyes and ears, but admitting that means admitting the tankies were right, and that’s intolerable, so you keep on trucking towards Nuremburg.
Lol. Another bigot that doesn’t know the difference between terms of Nazism and Nationalism and worships Russia. Found some pictures(some of which are literally jokes) in internet as arguments and now justifies terroristic actions of Russia(that is clearly not an aggressive authoritarian state with policies very clear to Nazism itself). Go then invade the USA and Israel, I dare you.
And stop gaslighting everyone with such low efforts, this works only for idiots. /pby
Fuck yeah, three cakes
It comes from the New York Times bro, not from OP.
The US news system is messed as fuck now. I don’t believe them no more since their government is corrupted to the core. Secondly, show the source. I want to see which newspaper publishes this in New York.
I’m sure Eduard Dolinsky, Ukrainian Jewish Committee, Director and everyone else is lying too.
Your ‘trolling’ and ‘Russian propaganda’ excuses are pathetic
LOL. You are providing a broken link to the Facebook page of a guy, that is know for controversial quotes and who is supporting jews. Assuming his history of false accusations, he doesn’t look like very trustworthy source. But even so, how is he connected to the war between Ukraine and Russia? He is more connected to current war in Israel.
Secondly, I haven’t seen any trustworthy political figure accusing Ukraine in Nazi before Russia claimed it as a stupid excuse for invasion, instead of honestly stating its expansive motives. For me, this is you who is making excuses for protecting Russia and its agreesive actions. It is called bigotry, if you didn’t know. By your logic, Russia should have invaded Israel and then the USA months ago because of clear signs of Nazism there. Or, even more: we should then call Russians Fascists/Nazi also for their actions. Why don’t you call Russians so then?
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/jewish-activist-facebook-banned-me-for-posting-antisemitic-graffiti-565396
the director of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, is some ‘controversial guy’ and not a trustworthy source? LOL nazi apologist.
Before 2017 nearly ALL western media have reported on ukrainian nazi scum.
After that the complicit western mouthpieces started downplaying it.
And stop your diverting about Russia or Shitrael, it’s as pathetic and transparent as your ‘trolling’ whitewashing BS.
Actually stop replying all together, you nazi apologists disgust me and you have embarrassed yourself enough since it’s obvious for anyone looking stuff up you’re lying and you’re excuses are a joke.
Some useless arguments and bigotry again. Someone doesn’t like the truth. Okay, if you don’t want to continue this dialog, no problem. I also don’t like to talk to a deaf expecting that he will hear me. The only funny thing for me is that how you are happened to choose lemmy.world instance and not lemmy.ml with your ideological persuasions. /pby
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