Kagi is a subscription-based search engine that argues that paying for search is a reasonable thing to do in order to avoid ads and companies selling your information. They also have lenses, e.g. for searching the fediverse specifically. Anyone that wants to share their experience of using Kagi?

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    6 days ago

    I realize that this post sounds like I’m shilling for Kagi, so I’ll say up front that I have no affiliation with them whatsoever. I’m just a satisfied customer. I’ll also fully admit that I don’t know much about the controversies or privacy issues other people are referencing. So look at others’ replies for that. I’ll be doing my research about it too.

    From a purely search perspective, I don’t really use their customizations. I don’t need to. It far and away beats any competition in my experience. I’ve used it for over a year now, and will probably never switch off of it. Every month or two, when I have to use a different browser or machine that has DuckDuckGo, Startpage, or Brave, I get frustrated within a few minutes of searching. Maybe some self-hosted stuff can compete, but I haven’t tried any of them for any length of time. Of the handful of people I’ve recommended it to IRL, they all switched over permanently.

    But general praise isn’t worth anything without an explanation, so here is a long-winded one.

    1. Lenses are awesome! Of the ones I use the most:

      • Forums is a much better version of appending “reddit” to a search.
      • PDFs comes in handy for me specifically. I read a lot of papers, and it is very good at skipping past annoying sign in, click through four buttons, and go through a captcha to get to the pdf.
      • Academic is a good supplement to Google Scholar. I still use scholar as my main search for academic sources since I don’t want to miss any papers that other people will find. But Kagi often finds some relevant papers that don’t appear high up Google Scholar.
    2. The amount of AI slop, SEO-optimized articles on other search engines is just abhorrent. I’m not sure how they do it, but Kagi does an amazing job at cutting them out. I no longer fear searching for “best vacuums for hard floors” or whatever. The results that come up are actual good review sites (Consumer Reports, Rtings.com, specific websites dedicated to vacuum reviews) and sometimes useful Reddit posts. On other search engines (at least back when I switched to Kagi), I only got AI generated listicles of what are the first 10 results on Amazon with “reviews” that are just rewordings of the amazon descriptions.

    3. I know AI in search is controversial, but I think the “Quick Answer” feature is done very tastefully. I do think there are searches where AI summaries can be helpful, efficient, and unlikely to be inaccurate. The button doesn’t feel intrusive, and I’ll end up clicking it about 1/10 searches.

    4. I like the little shield on the right side that gives you an insight into how many ads/trackers a site has. It’s another thing that can help you make better choices on which websites to go to. Not a huge thing, but I like it.

    5. I’ll admit this one is less precise, but I feel like search results are much closer to what I’m actually looking for. When I’m searching for something very specific, the results are exactly what I want, not tangential.

    Summary: For my personal day-to-day searches, Kagi is a no-brainer. It make searching easy and frictionless again. It’s what I’d expect a good search engine to be like in 2026. And I think it’s worth paying for a service when it provides value, especially when you aren’t the product.

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      5 days ago

      I was gearing up for writing a long response but I can’t do any better than this.

      I can’t go back to Google. Can’t. The awfulness is so apparent after you’ve used Kagi for any length of time.

      I will say I wish Kagi had a “shopping” mode. It does such a good job with removing ads sometimes when I’m actually looking to buy something it lets me down. But then I gnash my teeth and do a Google search. Google is always up to sell you some shit.

      Seems like a “shopping” mode would be a good way to get Kagi some revenue, too. If, like it’s AI features, it is completely optional and under the control of the user.

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    6 days ago

    I have it, I use it, I like it. I love not seeing ads, I love getting more independent results like blogs, I love getting tailored websites based on my own design (meaning i personally flagged things for more or less weight in the Algo).

    I’m aware they’re not as privacy focused as they claim to me. I’m aware the founder is a bit weird and that they have some AI components. Right now id rather pay them $100 bucks a year than give that same amount to Google via ads, and most importantly protecting my information sphere.

    If there was a better paid option I’d consider switching. I’m not convinced SearX or whatever it is is worth the effort, so Kagi I remain.

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      6 days ago

      +1 to everything this guy said for me as well.

      I’ll add that I think the price is probably too high for what I use, but it’s still worth it to not use Google.

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      this is my exact experience / opinion. i’ve tried many other search options (ddg, ecosia, startpage, yandex, &utm=14, my own searX instance) and none of them gave me the same user experience as kagi.

      try out the lowest tier like i did and see how those first few hundred searches work out for you, if you’re in doubt.

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    7 days ago

    I have subscribed for two separate months before, when doing a project that involved a lot of research.

    I always cancelled after the project was done, because of their stance on privacy. They clearly pretend to be privacy focused, but you need to provide an email and their privacy policy didnt even meet the legal bare minimum in the EU up until a month or so ago, which is just embarasing. Yes, they have that privacy pass thing, but then it blocks like half the features that make kagi good so I didnt use it much.

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    7 days ago

    I pay for it, like $100 or so a year. I don’t use any of the AI features, just the search. The search results are great, better than Google. I’m happy with it.

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          6 days ago

          Possibly, I don’t mean it in a way of " you’re stupid for paying"-way, its just too much money for most people

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            Oh no, I am not disagreeing with you. I was perfectly happy with startpage and ddg, until I have less time to scroll over ad and a bit more money to spend.

            I just want to put the price into perspective. I agree that people should be financially responsible and use the free solution when they don’t have the cash.

            That being said, some people around me have an openAI/claude subscription that is way more expensive. And that makes me feel slightly better about where my money is going to.

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      I have used both for over a year and personally dont find searx to be remotely close to being as good as Kagi… The search results are not accurate, at least not for me who search in multiple languages, and ive tried really really tried to customize searx to work for me. Kagi also feels faster and has a good looking UI.

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    7 days ago

    Qwant is better and it’s free, the only alternative search engine that gives me decent results without loosing too much to google

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    I currently have the trial and I use it when other search engines like DDG fail me. It has helped me find documented solutions to tech problems at work that came up empty from other sources. I feel like the search results are more similar in quality to what google used to be in the early days of the internet, maybe even at the height of their dont be evil days. Which is really good praise

    I am on the fence about subscribing, because although they claim privacy the fact that my searches are tied to my account in some form is an issue, even if there doesnt appear to be search history. Also the value of search really has been pushed so far down by other options that the cost is extremely hard to justify for me

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    6 days ago

    heard many replies mention the CEO’s questionable behavior. I have not heard of any. Anyone have links? Also let’s not just disregard shitty / questionable behavior and really lean into it - because it won’t go away. We’d just pump cash into someone who then learns being questionable or shitty is ok.

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    It’s not as good as Google from 20 years ago, but much better than Google today.

    I didn’t choose it for the privacy, I chose it because I wanted to actually get results for my searches.

    Google gets me answers about 20% of the time,
    Kagi about 50%,
    and (generic - not Kagi) AI about 80% of the time.

    The problem with AI as search is that the other 20% is when it will confidently give me wrong answers and waste hours of my time, so I guess Kagi is still useful to me.

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    I begrudgingly think it is worth it, though mainly for the purposes of better search results. You can up/down rank, and even block websites. The amount of time you save not having to trudge through enshittified results is amazing, and sadly (imo) justifies the $10/month for no Pinterest, medium, quora.

    The value proposition from a privacy and moral perspective is more questionable however. Though it does offer more privacy conscious options than other search engines (not saying much), the defaults are definitely not very privacy respecting.

    I know that LLMs are generally antithetical to privacy, but Kagi’s LLM offerings are usually vetted for things such as zero data retention. IIRC their LLM queries actually cost more than their search queries, so it’s somewhat of a loss leader.

    Kagi as a company also just seems… immature? Most of their customer/community engagement is via a Discord server, and with an ever increasing amount of half-baked features no one asked for (browser, translate, and even email), combined with their CEO’s questionable behaviour, does not inspire much confidence.

    On the other hand, their search is still the best, and they have other features such as SlopStop (like sponsor block but for flagging AI slop results), and dedicated small web index are genuinely amazing.

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    I love it, I use it quite a bit, and it get shit done. The web is boring again, instead of all the flashy shopping banners, I just search, done, and leave.

    Their LLM is opt-in and on demand. Your search never triggers LLM by default, and you will need to add a question mark after it. This feature can of course, be turned off.

    The privacy aspect is honestly a bit lacking besides “trust me bro”, they have this great privacy pass extension, but it disables all setting, because it can be used to personally identify you if you have complex page rank preference. I am okay to not have extensive settings but “open in new tab” and safe search settings would be nice to have :( plus, it also doesn’t work on firefox for android.

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      I’m pretty sure mine opens everything in new tabs and it definitely works in Firefox on Android as that’s how I use it on my phone.

      Otherwise, spot on.

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        Are you using the “privacy pass” extension? I cannot find it in the FF extension library :( The only one avaliable seems to be kagi search.

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    7 days ago

    I subscribed briefly, then requested a refund. The reason was both for the highly customisable and curated search, but also for Assistant - because I trust Kagi a little more than Google, Anthropic, OpenAI, or Perplexity with my “best pancake batter according to Reddit” queries - even if that’s fundamentally compromising my privacy. Kagi tended to deliver better information in general, so maybe I’d want to use LMs less frequently - I thought.

    However, that slight hint of trust was shattered very quickly when they did what every company with a profit does best - sold me a lie:

    https://kagifeedback.org/d/10116-kagi-assistant-standalone-subscription

    Which means what I’d subscribed to will have eventually gotten worse, likely for the same price, and Kagi had no intention of letting me know before I subscribed, and their intention seemed to be to just make active subscriptions worse, as they were opposed to grandfathering in the thread.

    So I decided I’ll pass, I have enough “products” I don’t trust. Even if it’s all in the “we’re ‘contemplating’ stage”, it’s clear what their approach is and how far they’re willing to go with, pardon me, fucking users over.

    P.S. I understand the sustainability problem. But I’d have expected them to have that part figured out before actively offering it in a subscription. The way they are going about it is off-putting. So, no thanks.