• ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    My take is that socialist ideals are great. But socialism is infeasible, and thats why all atempts ended in failure and authoritarism.

    People aren’t scared of the “ideals”, they are sacred of:

    • slipping into authoritarianim
    • a bloody revolution
    • economic decline because of a bogus economic system.

    (Im a social democrat, hell yeah to everything in the post, but inside capitalism, because it at least survived for more than 80 years once).

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      2 months ago

      Which of those 3 points are we avoiding right now with capitalism?

      Oh, thats right, just the “revolution” part. Not even the “bloody” part. More people have been killed by capitalism than every political revolution in history combined

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        2 months ago

        Yep, which is why I also want great change to the world right now.

        I just don’t believe neither in labor theory of value, nor in the “dictatorship of the proletariat” nor in anarchism (it is an absolutely great goal, but wouldn’t work rn).

        We are in a very authoritarian and corporate phase of the world. I want it to go back to consumer rights, social welfare state, and heavy regulation.

        But not to follow the dream of marx or whoever, and just end up killing 6mi people in gulags.

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      2 months ago

      Absolutely. Capitalism may not be ideal, but it’s our only hope to avoid authoritarian bloodshed, economic decline, and insane bigoted purges of the population.

      Capitalism may be exploitative, but it never caused a genocide. Never caused anybody hard working to go hungry, die of preventable illness, live outdoors when housing exists, or get murdered by death squads. Unlike communism.