I already pointed out the Luigi thing to someone else.
He wasnāt a billionaire and his actions didnāt cause any change. You can like Luigi for doing what he did but he didnāt accomplish anything.
But in his case he didnāt have any other way to effect change either. Brice Wayne is a billionaire. Luigi is the guy who shot bruces parents.
You are repeating yourself but not answering my questions. Letās try another way.
The writers of the comic book are god to the people in the universe right? Those god writers keep a constant flow of horrible things to hurt Gotham. Then at best Batman is doing nothing. He beats a bad guy, the writers bring him back. In Batmanās universe his vigalante justice at BEST is meaningless because the writers will just undo it.
Fine. That doesnāt make his actions Nobel or beneficial. Itās an endless loop of suffering that exists entirely because of his charecter.
The writers are writing a story for Bruce Wayneās life and all of Gotham suffers for it. If he died Gotham would be better off because the writers wouldnāt keep throwing bad guys at him.
So even in comic books are written to be entertaining universeā¦ Batman is the reasons the writers made the villains. No Batman no villains.
You can like Luigi for doing what he did but he didnāt accomplish anything.
Put a fair amount of the fear of god into execs for several months which from what Iāve read in places led to more approvals for care, and tbh if it had gotten some copycats (e.g. the story āRadicalizedā) I think weād see universal health care pretty fast.
You are repeating yourself but not answering my questions.
I am answering the same questions with the same complete answers. If you wanna discuss, discuss. If you wanna pull a string on a speak and spell, well I can do that too.
So even in comic books are written to be entertaining universeā¦ Batman is the reasons the writers made the villains. No Batman no villains.
No Superman, no villains. No Spiderman, no villains. No X-men, no villains. Not sure youāre really thinking this one through.
Oh and I donāt know if you saw my edit but I rebutted the āthatās how itās writtenā with āwell they are writing Gillianās for Batman to fight. In that universe if there was no Batman there would be no villains. They are written for Batman to fight. Batman is the problem.
Yes! If you are taking the āthatās how itās written ā route all those super heros are causing the problem lol
I thought it thru.
However with someone like letās say Spider-Man. Spider-Man is a boy with no money or societal power. No influences. He got superpowers and used those super powers for āgoodā. Still a vigalant but heās doesnāt have a lot of options and people arenāt exactly thrilled about Spider-Man doing spiderman shit.
Bruce Wayne is a billionaire with major society changing powers due to his extreme wealth and position. Instead of using his wealth and power to make changeā¦ he instead builds a bat cave and fights people with gadgets he buys.
If you found out bill gates put on a mask and cape and was fighting the mafiaā¦ physically with his handsā¦would you consider that a good idea? The best use of his time and money?
Or would you be like ābill, you need to just donate some money to people who actually know what they are doing.
Letās talk about Oprah for a second. She built a school. Itās a good school. Sure. Hold a few hundred people. Free education. Nice. Iām not mad she built a school. Itās however worth pointing out instead of her personally building a multi million dollar school with chandeliers and 1000 thread count sheetsā¦ she couldāve donated that money to a charity that already has experience opening schools. She couldāve built 100 schools instead of 1 super expensive school. It wouldāve helped a lot more people.
Is Oprah building a school bad? No. Was it a best avenue for her to get the best result? No. Because Oprah doesnāt know anything about schools. She shouldāve left it to professionals.
Is Batman evil? No. Is he doing things properly? Absolutely not. He needs to be in a board room donating money like his parents did. His parents started the Wayne foundation. He built a bat cave.
I donāt think thatās the best use of his money.
Yes! If you are taking the āthatās how itās written ā route all those super heros are causing the problem lol
Congrats on destroying all works of fiction I guess lmao
āIf we just get rid of the protagonist then the antagonist wonāt exist.ā is a fucking goofy take dude cāmon.
If you found out bill gates put on a mask and cape and was fighting the mafiaā¦ physically with his handsā¦would you consider that a good idea? The best use of his time and money?
NGL thatād be fucking dope.
Oprah couldāve built 100 schools instead of 1 super expensive school. It wouldāve helped a lot more people.
She also could have built 0 schools. That very much was an option. Feels like youāre looking a gift horse in the mouth. Iād prefer the Carnegie Library strategy as well but shit any library is better then no library.
He needs to be in a board room donating money like his parents did. His parents started the Wayne foundation.
He started the foundation, not them. Even if his parents had started it, heās still stewarding it and (presumably) funding it and ensuring it accomplishes its mission.
Btw your bill gates answer had me laughing. It would be rad as hell. But it wouldnāt be the best use of his skills. lol but yeah Iād respect bill a lot more if he did fight the mafia lol
As for operah I also agree. More billionaires should do what Oprah didā¦ Iām just saying itās not the best use. But better than nothing yes.
I think the joke that started all this actually came from the ābehind the bastardsā episode of Oprah. Robert Evanās said the quote all this stared with. Funny guy.
Let me try another example. Imagine I was a billionaire. Iām not. letās say the bump my pay to the billions.
As a billionaire every Saturday I walk to the beach and pick up trash. Thatās good! But I could wrote a check for a million dollars and not even notice a dip in my bank account. I could hire hundreds of people to clean the beach. My time would be better spent running the charity that cleans the beach rather than me personally picking up trash.
To be fair that was my rebuttals to an argument you had. I donāt think I fully understand that argument. I gathered you were saying āheās a hero because heās written to be a heroā in that case the villains only exist to fight him. Which still makes him the problem.
But thatās not my argument really. I belive in the ādeath of the authorā what the author intended is not how Iām required to view it.
So my āthen Batman is the cuase of villainsā argument is supposed to be silly because I feel ā the author says Batman is the only hopeā is also silly.
But maybe Iām just not understanding that argument.
Oh and by the way I know I use quotes around things you didnāt actually say. Itās weird but thatās not me trying to straw man you. Thatās me saying āthis is what I heard you sayā so you can see if Iām missing something important. It can be irritating if you think Iām purposefully misquoting you. Thatās not my intent.
Either way o just want to take a second and thank you for the conversation. Itās very interesting even if I donāt fully agree with you. Iām having fun discussing this and you seem pretty intelligent. So thank you for that my friend.
So youāre argument is āif Luigi had sparked something it wouldāve been greatā thatās fine. But he didnāt spark anything.
A couple rich guys maybe hired a few more guards. Thatās all.
Much like Batman. Vigilante justice doesnāt work. Iāve heard of exactly one example of vigalante justice that was cool. A whole town banded together to kill a really crappy dude who lived there and kept hurting people. Bit notice that wasnāt some random dude doing it. The whole town agreed that did had to go. So they killed him and he was no longer a problem.
Thatās the only time Iāve seen it work and it wasnāt a Batman it was a whole town.
Much like Batman. Vigilante justice doesnāt work.
In a fictional world where the alternative is someone blowing up the planet, I assure you, it does work, as the planet in said fictional world still exists. It probably also helps that it is also written to work in this fictional world and that collateral damage is limited to non-existent.
In that fictional world the bad guys only exist to fight Batman.
In the real world vigalantee justice doesnāt work. I mentioned the one time and you did link him. McElroy . But again that only worked because it was one guy who needed to be killed. It wouldnāt have worked if it was an organization or society that needed challenging.
Iāll look up your other examples if you want but I can follow that with all the times it just caused cycles of revenge instead of change for good.
Violence breedās violence. Vigilante justice doesnāt work. Even in Batman. The writers write villains specifically to attack Batman. Because his existence breeds violence in that universe.
I already pointed out the Luigi thing to someone else.
He wasnāt a billionaire and his actions didnāt cause any change. You can like Luigi for doing what he did but he didnāt accomplish anything.
But in his case he didnāt have any other way to effect change either. Brice Wayne is a billionaire. Luigi is the guy who shot bruces parents.
You are repeating yourself but not answering my questions. Letās try another way.
The writers of the comic book are god to the people in the universe right? Those god writers keep a constant flow of horrible things to hurt Gotham. Then at best Batman is doing nothing. He beats a bad guy, the writers bring him back. In Batmanās universe his vigalante justice at BEST is meaningless because the writers will just undo it.
Fine. That doesnāt make his actions Nobel or beneficial. Itās an endless loop of suffering that exists entirely because of his charecter.
The writers are writing a story for Bruce Wayneās life and all of Gotham suffers for it. If he died Gotham would be better off because the writers wouldnāt keep throwing bad guys at him.
So even in comic books are written to be entertaining universeā¦ Batman is the reasons the writers made the villains. No Batman no villains.
Put a fair amount of the fear of god into execs for several months which from what Iāve read in places led to more approvals for care, and tbh if it had gotten some copycats (e.g. the story āRadicalizedā) I think weād see universal health care pretty fast.
I am answering the same questions with the same complete answers. If you wanna discuss, discuss. If you wanna pull a string on a speak and spell, well I can do that too.
No Superman, no villains. No Spiderman, no villains. No X-men, no villains. Not sure youāre really thinking this one through.
Oh and I donāt know if you saw my edit but I rebutted the āthatās how itās writtenā with āwell they are writing Gillianās for Batman to fight. In that universe if there was no Batman there would be no villains. They are written for Batman to fight. Batman is the problem.
Yeah I was editing after that. Iāll add it here as well to save you some trouble.
No Superman, no villains. No Spiderman, no villains. No X-men, no villains. Not sure youāre really thinking this one through.
Yes! If you are taking the āthatās how itās written ā route all those super heros are causing the problem lol
I thought it thru.
However with someone like letās say Spider-Man. Spider-Man is a boy with no money or societal power. No influences. He got superpowers and used those super powers for āgoodā. Still a vigalant but heās doesnāt have a lot of options and people arenāt exactly thrilled about Spider-Man doing spiderman shit.
Bruce Wayne is a billionaire with major society changing powers due to his extreme wealth and position. Instead of using his wealth and power to make changeā¦ he instead builds a bat cave and fights people with gadgets he buys.
If you found out bill gates put on a mask and cape and was fighting the mafiaā¦ physically with his handsā¦would you consider that a good idea? The best use of his time and money?
Or would you be like ābill, you need to just donate some money to people who actually know what they are doing.
Letās talk about Oprah for a second. She built a school. Itās a good school. Sure. Hold a few hundred people. Free education. Nice. Iām not mad she built a school. Itās however worth pointing out instead of her personally building a multi million dollar school with chandeliers and 1000 thread count sheetsā¦ she couldāve donated that money to a charity that already has experience opening schools. She couldāve built 100 schools instead of 1 super expensive school. It wouldāve helped a lot more people.
Is Oprah building a school bad? No. Was it a best avenue for her to get the best result? No. Because Oprah doesnāt know anything about schools. She shouldāve left it to professionals.
Is Batman evil? No. Is he doing things properly? Absolutely not. He needs to be in a board room donating money like his parents did. His parents started the Wayne foundation. He built a bat cave.
I donāt think thatās the best use of his money.
Congrats on destroying all works of fiction I guess lmao
āIf we just get rid of the protagonist then the antagonist wonāt exist.ā is a fucking goofy take dude cāmon.
NGL thatād be fucking dope.
She also could have built 0 schools. That very much was an option. Feels like youāre looking a gift horse in the mouth. Iād prefer the Carnegie Library strategy as well but shit any library is better then no library.
He started the foundation, not them. Even if his parents had started it, heās still stewarding it and (presumably) funding it and ensuring it accomplishes its mission.
Btw your bill gates answer had me laughing. It would be rad as hell. But it wouldnāt be the best use of his skills. lol but yeah Iād respect bill a lot more if he did fight the mafia lol
As for operah I also agree. More billionaires should do what Oprah didā¦ Iām just saying itās not the best use. But better than nothing yes.
I think the joke that started all this actually came from the ābehind the bastardsā episode of Oprah. Robert Evanās said the quote all this stared with. Funny guy.
Let me try another example. Imagine I was a billionaire. Iām not. letās say the bump my pay to the billions.
As a billionaire every Saturday I walk to the beach and pick up trash. Thatās good! But I could wrote a check for a million dollars and not even notice a dip in my bank account. I could hire hundreds of people to clean the beach. My time would be better spent running the charity that cleans the beach rather than me personally picking up trash.
āCongrats on destroying all fictionā
To be fair that was my rebuttals to an argument you had. I donāt think I fully understand that argument. I gathered you were saying āheās a hero because heās written to be a heroā in that case the villains only exist to fight him. Which still makes him the problem.
But thatās not my argument really. I belive in the ādeath of the authorā what the author intended is not how Iām required to view it.
So my āthen Batman is the cuase of villainsā argument is supposed to be silly because I feel ā the author says Batman is the only hopeā is also silly.
But maybe Iām just not understanding that argument.
Oh and by the way I know I use quotes around things you didnāt actually say. Itās weird but thatās not me trying to straw man you. Thatās me saying āthis is what I heard you sayā so you can see if Iām missing something important. It can be irritating if you think Iām purposefully misquoting you. Thatās not my intent.
Either way o just want to take a second and thank you for the conversation. Itās very interesting even if I donāt fully agree with you. Iām having fun discussing this and you seem pretty intelligent. So thank you for that my friend.
I still think Batman is irresponsible tho lol
So youāre argument is āif Luigi had sparked something it wouldāve been greatā thatās fine. But he didnāt spark anything.
A couple rich guys maybe hired a few more guards. Thatās all.
Much like Batman. Vigilante justice doesnāt work. Iāve heard of exactly one example of vigalante justice that was cool. A whole town banded together to kill a really crappy dude who lived there and kept hurting people. Bit notice that wasnāt some random dude doing it. The whole town agreed that did had to go. So they killed him and he was no longer a problem.
Thatās the only time Iāve seen it work and it wasnāt a Batman it was a whole town.
In a fictional world where the alternative is someone blowing up the planet, I assure you, it does work, as the planet in said fictional world still exists. It probably also helps that it is also written to work in this fictional world and that collateral damage is limited to non-existent.
In the real world, we donāt see as many people threatening to blow up the planet, and generally the social contract that gives the government a monopoly on force works out pretty well for resolving issues such as dudes being assholes. When the government doesnāt uphold its end of the social contract, then folks gotta take force into their own hands. Hence Ken McElroy (who I linked along with Luigi, btw.) though there are others, like The Secret Six, and Gary PlauchĆ©.
In that fictional world the bad guys only exist to fight Batman.
In the real world vigalantee justice doesnāt work. I mentioned the one time and you did link him. McElroy . But again that only worked because it was one guy who needed to be killed. It wouldnāt have worked if it was an organization or society that needed challenging.
Iāll look up your other examples if you want but I can follow that with all the times it just caused cycles of revenge instead of change for good.
Violence breedās violence. Vigilante justice doesnāt work. Even in Batman. The writers write villains specifically to attack Batman. Because his existence breeds violence in that universe.