Sorry… are you claiming the death penalty is more humane than not killing a person? Because, considering the number of appeals, I would suggest that shows that the actual people on death row would prefer the psychological torture.
No. I’m saying unintended effects and the impact to the rest of society needs to be considered. Solitary confinement has been equated with torture. Would you be fine effectively torturing people you want kept alive? If the cost of incarceration left the rest of the society in danger due to lack of resources, would you shoulder that burden?
I never said anything about solitary confinement. You brought that up. Somehow we’ve been doing fine with multiple domestic terrorists and serial killers being in supermax prisons without keeping them in solitary.
What part of the world could they not keep people in similar conditions as a supermax? If it’s a matter of money and that’s the only reason they don’t have them, that seems like an argument in favor of funding them, not in favor of the death penalty. I can’t think of another reason.
Incidentally, the fact that the U.S. is the only Western country with the death penalty, sharing that honor mostly with theocracies and dictatorships, should tell you something about the ethics of it.
The hypothetical doesn’t need to exist in reality. It’s part of the thought process. It’s not meant to be an argument for a realistic applicant of the death penalty. Again… I oppose the death penalty.
Now imagine a society (this can be fictitious) without the resources to house criminals indefinitely. How do you manage using resources, to the detriment of the innocent, to house criminals with a life sentence?
We don’t need to imagine it. It’s on that map I posted. All those non-dictatorships that don’t have the death penalty are able to manage it. i.e. the entirety of Europe save Belarus, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and many other countries.
Again, a hypothetical isn’t necessary when we have dozens of real world examples of what you’re talking about that you’re just hand waving away as if none of them count but your imaginary country does.
Sorry… are you claiming the death penalty is more humane than not killing a person? Because, considering the number of appeals, I would suggest that shows that the actual people on death row would prefer the psychological torture.
No. I’m saying unintended effects and the impact to the rest of society needs to be considered. Solitary confinement has been equated with torture. Would you be fine effectively torturing people you want kept alive? If the cost of incarceration left the rest of the society in danger due to lack of resources, would you shoulder that burden?
I never said anything about solitary confinement. You brought that up. Somehow we’ve been doing fine with multiple domestic terrorists and serial killers being in supermax prisons without keeping them in solitary.
You’re too focused on the US. Those are broader hypotheticals.
What part of the world could they not keep people in similar conditions as a supermax? If it’s a matter of money and that’s the only reason they don’t have them, that seems like an argument in favor of funding them, not in favor of the death penalty. I can’t think of another reason.
Incidentally, the fact that the U.S. is the only Western country with the death penalty, sharing that honor mostly with theocracies and dictatorships, should tell you something about the ethics of it.
The hypothetical doesn’t need to exist in reality. It’s part of the thought process. It’s not meant to be an argument for a realistic applicant of the death penalty. Again… I oppose the death penalty.
Now imagine a society (this can be fictitious) without the resources to house criminals indefinitely. How do you manage using resources, to the detriment of the innocent, to house criminals with a life sentence?
We don’t need to imagine it. It’s on that map I posted. All those non-dictatorships that don’t have the death penalty are able to manage it. i.e. the entirety of Europe save Belarus, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and many other countries.
So you can’t entertain a hypothetical?
Again, a hypothetical isn’t necessary when we have dozens of real world examples of what you’re talking about that you’re just hand waving away as if none of them count but your imaginary country does.