• Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    You answered your own question lol. Your “sturdy houses” would also get fucking wrecked by a hurricane or tornado or earthquake or wildfire. We expect our buildings to get destroyed every so often.

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      3 months ago

      Relative to the cardboard houses in the usa, houses in Europe are indeed very sturdy. Our concrete houses might not be designed for hurricanes, but they would still fare way better than a house entirely build from stud walls. It’s always a bit of a wonder to us that in the usa, houses are being built in a manner that will not survive the next storm. And that that is allowed. The downside of the sturdier European houses is that they take longer and cost more to build, which is also why the average house is smaller.

      Here’s some obversations from an American engineer travelling in Europe: https://forstconsultingllc.com/blog/european-vs-american-home-construction/

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        3 months ago

        Our concrete houses might not be designed for hurricanes, but they would still fare way better than a house entirely build from stud walls.

        You only think that because you have no experience with them. Hurricanes demolish concrete and brick buildings just the same as wood, and floods don’t care what the material is.

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          3 months ago

          Hmm, who to believe on this subject. You, or the constructional engineer that travelled on both sides of the pond. Tough call ;)

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            3 months ago

            I read your article and he never even talked about what we’re talking about, dumbass. He just noted differences in construction.

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              3 months ago

              “Their homes are robust, and built to last 400 years (estimated) without having to make substantial repairs.” You must have missed that part, so much for reading comprehension.

              The difference in building quality between houses in the usa and northern Europe really is night and day. Tornadoes which would only take off the roof from European houses, tear down entire American neighborhoods. To us, it’s just shocking how bad those American buildings hold up. There are of course also Americans who chose to build to a higher standard, but they end up with smaller houses at a higher price, like we do in Europe. I don’t get why this is so hard to accept for you. We pay more for a smaller house, but that house is then build to a much higher standard. It’s really not a mystery.

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                3 months ago

                I don’t get why this is so hard to accept for you

                Because it’s WRONG, you arrogant Eurocentric prick. A standard American built house would easily last a couple hundred years in Europe because nothing ever fucking happens in Europe. There are American houses that have stood since colonial times, not because of sUpErIoR eUrOpEaN cOnStRuCtIoN but just because they just happened to not be burned, flooded, or blasted apart yet.

                Tornadoes which would only take off the roof from European houses

                In your dreams. Commercial buildings in the US are typically built more robustly than European homes, and they’re still destroyed down to the foundations. You just have no framework for how massively destructive natural disasters are, because you haven’t had any for a thousand years.

                There’s no point building a 400-year home in most of the US. Within a couple of generations, there’s a good chance something will destroy the very ground it’s built on.

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                  3 months ago

                  I had found a good quote earlier by another American who had actually visited other places, I think now is a good time to share it:

                  "Americans who have never left their own little reality will tell you that American homes are actually solid… they’re not… I have lived in and visited many countries. American houses are built like shit.

                  My cousin built a house in Europe out of brick and concrete… and it’s WAY WAY WAY WAY better than the most expensive, nicest house I’ve ever been to in the US. I have anger issues and have punched through my walls on repeated occasions. You can’t do that with brick and concrete… probably a good thing I live in the US.

                  This is why when a tornado comes around, entire towns are demolished… All that would happen in other countries is some broken windows and shingles would come off the roof.

                  Americans pay more for their houses in terms of price, property taxes (insanely high), and repairs… to live in the lowest form of construction on this planet second to bamboo huts.

                  This is all due to American greed. America is a big mall where you get shit quality everywhere you go, but you think you’re actually winning because you are so self-deluded and isolated. Most Americans have never been anywhere else, but yet they will defend their garbage buildings that fall apart in a couple of decades or less. Speaking from my piece of shit house that was built 20 years ago that needs all floors and walls replaced because of mold seeping into the… wood… everything… wood and cardboard. ".

                  I also don’t get how you came to believe that there are no natural disasters in Europe. We have a stereotype of dumb arrogant Americans who are confidently incorrect, but still, what the hell man :)

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                    2 months ago

                    Oh yeah? Name a natural disaster then.

                    Or do you just want to persist in your stupid-ass “Murica bad” Euro bullshit? People like you who insist on European superiority are just as deranged as the MAGA nuts except it’s cuter because Europe’s empires are long gone.