Sure seems like they’re winning.
They’re not winning. They’re trying to prevent the worst.
Which would be?
Hm teenage pregnancy and vaping I guess?
Reasonably certain those are already present in Ukraine
Preventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?
…so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?
Who guarantees that they get peace in return?
No one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.
That’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.
I understand the Ukrainians mistrust.
You give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.
Let’s not forget who is attacking and who is defending…
Let’s not forget who broke their treaty precipitating the attack.
Being under russian occupation.
I’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.
