• tatann@lemm.ee
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    6 days ago

    Isn’t the old testament more hardcore than the new one ? Jewish roulette would seem more risky than christian roulette

    I mean, obviously Jesus would get arrested by modern “christians” for being a “leftist hippie commie”

    • jecxjo@midwest.socialEnglish
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      6 days ago

      Seeing as they claim Jesus amd Yahweh are one in the same you can’t just ignore the OT. All the condoning slavery, taking child sacrifice as payment, stoning women who don’t bleed on their wedding night… that is all part of the Christian god.

      • Spaniard@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 days ago

        The OT is in the Christian Bible because they can’t ignore it, and shouldn’t ignore it. But that doesn’t mean following.

        An eye for an eye is incompatible with turning the other cheek.

        Slavery is entirely a human creation, neither the Bible nor the Torah tells believers to enslave other people but what is says, all from the OT to the NT, is “give to Caesar what’s his and give to God what’s His”, I know it sucks but it’s not that different from Stoic teachings, that’s why Catholics (and other Christians) belief that suffering makes them closer to God.

        Edit.

        There is a huge debate in Christendom about the meaning of “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Some believe the OT rules stand, some believe that they don’t. Catholics are taught the OT like kids learn history in school.

        • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish
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          5 days ago

          Whaaaaaaaa…?? “A human creation?” You can’t have it both ways. Either the Bible is the word of God, or it’s ALL “a human creation”. But allowing for the sake of discussion that God exists, etc, the NT endorses slavery, discusses how to practice it morally, and says nothing to oppose it. The Christian god thinks it’s okay for humans to own humans, according to both the OT and the NT; no different than owning a house or livestock.

          • Spaniard@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            5 days ago

            What? God gave humans free will. God didn’t made slavery, didn’t made money, or democracy, didn’t made wars. Basically He created the world as it was during paradise and the rest is our creation.

            Although I would argue Angels are like slaves but that’s not exactly the point of this and at least one rebelled so I don’t know to what point they are or were slaves.

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              5 days ago

              So all Jesus had to do was say, “hey guys don’t own other humans” and yet he didn’t? Instead he actually condoned slavery? And his followers went on for decades after his death preaching for slaves to obey their masters?

              Real cool guy.

            • Nelots@lemm.eeEnglish
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              5 days ago

              Haha no, god explicitly commanded slavery on multiple different instances. That’s irrelevant though, as god is the one who created everything knowing how it would turn out with full ability to prevent it, making it 100% his fault. For example:

              When God supposedly created Adam and Eve, he had perfect foreknowledge that they would eat from the tree and cause the bullshit that is the fall and original sin. And yet, he still put the tree there. He still put the serpent there. He still gave them access to the tree. He could have chosen not to let any of these things happen, but he didn’t.

              When a toddler swallows a bottle of poison you’ve left on the floor, whose fault is it? (Hint: it’s not the toddler’s, and it’s certainly not the toddler’s future great great great great great grandchildren’s)