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  • MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Yep. You being silent can be written into the report in a way to help their case for probable cause. INAL, but have had my fair share of police encounters, and I’ve found there is not one size fits all approach, you really have to read the individual officer and game plan your approach on the spot. It’s kinda a no win situation especially when cops are trained to escalate the situation.

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      It’s kinda a no win situation especially when cops are trained to escalate the situation.

      I’m English, so I don’t know what USA police are like much, but surely your nation is not backward as to explicitly train police officers to escalate a situation?

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        Let me clarify this for you.

        Whenever you read anything about police in the USA, mentally replace “police” with “the mafia, but for rich white people.”

        They are not only allowed to carry weapons, they are encouraged to kill, and they are protected from legal action by what we call “qualified immunity.” The court system is thoroughly corrupted at all levels, from small local courts up to the Supreme Court. Police officers are allowed to do whatever they want and change the narrative afterwards, and the court system laps it up, seemingly unaware that police are only human and can totally lie. The police officer who killed George Floyd was involved in multiple murders before that fateful day in 2020, and that was just one guy.

        The USA has a higher rate of imprisonment per capita than China does. Our leadership genuinely feels we have to keep millions of people locked up and working for corporations for literal pennies an hour, or else the whole system will start to fall apart.

        Backward doesn’t even begin to cover it. Barbaric would be closer.

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          The state is just a gang of warlords who force you to pay for protection. The difference between the US and the Taliban is that the US is 200 years old, backed by money and tradition, and dressed up modern suits/buildings

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        The entire article is worth reading, but here the most relevant part for your question:

        "One teaching method he cited, however, was a chart of different mental states – each assigned its own color – describing levels of preparedness, or the lack of it, to respond to threatening situations. The chart was developed by former U.S. Marine Col. Jeff Cooper, now deceased, “as a means of setting one’s mind into the proper condition when exercising lethal violence,” according to a 2004 written commentary attributed to Cooper.

        Kennedy features a fighting practice in an instructional video, showing him and students wrestling and trying to tackle one another. He described the practice as a form of “stress inoculation” that aims to improve officers’ performance under pressure."

        https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-police-extremism

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        It was more a turn of phrase, me being spiteful, but there’s a few factors here, imo.

        1. Is that they aren’t really trained enough. At all.

        2. It could possibly be by design

        3. Escalation = more charges or more likely to drum up charges that will stick = more likely to collect money on your possible imprisonment and or fines.

        It’s profit. The police and criminal justice system are a sham here, and yes we are quite backwards.

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        It’s the metrics. If they have a vague suspicion during a traffic stop, that there are, for example, drugs in the vehicle, perhaps because there’s a Black person in the car, then by escalating, they can use the reaction as “probable cause” to search the vehicle.

        Then they may find something that will help them meet their quota.

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        Ehh, they are trained to try and find as much shit as possible, they want to pull you out of the car and search it when they pull you over if they even remotely think you have illegal shit.

        Most want to put you in cuffs instead of write a ticket or give you a warning.

        Keep your car crystal clear in the passenger compartment, be white, kiss their boots, and they might not try to pull you outta the car and waste an hour, depends where your at and who you got.