All my boots are made for walking. And that’s just what they do.

Thirty or so years ago Gorbachev’s decision to allow elections with a multi-party system and create a presidency for the Soviet Union began a process of democratization that eventually destabilized Communist control and contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union. The remnants of the old Communist party can be found today on lemmygrad.

I do not aspire to be a volunteer internet janitor.

Don’t act like that wouldn’t make you happy.

When giving hugs, I never let go first. Though I let go promptly when the other person does. You never know much of a hug the other person needs.

Yep. I get it. It’s going to be really fucking uncomfortable. I’ll be hungry, thirsty, sore, and will lose my concept of time. And then I’ll have a million dollars. How long will it take you to earn a million dollars in any other fashion? Unless your Jeff Bezos you’ll have much more accumulated discomfort and assorted bullshit over that period of time than just dealing with it all at once. This is a easy decision.

Then absolutely. Is this even a hard question for any rationale person?

😂🤣😂

This kind of “I live in my babushkas basement” neckbeard shit is why nobody ever worries that your cause will take over.

I am continually flabbergasted that people don’t know this. HR is not your friend.

Not every society forces you to seek wage labour. This is only the case in capitalism.

What’s an example of a society that doesn’t require work?

You seem really hung up on the term” wage labor”. That’s not the only way to create or store value. But it is the most efficient. We could completely eliminate “money” but the concept of value would remain. And cooperation would only be more difficult and less efficient if I didn’t want to barter my chicken for your potato. Money, and “wage labor, regardless of who pays your wages, allow for the transfer of goods and services between individuals who don’t need the others goods or services now.

The government would hunt them down.

No they wouldn’t. Because except for your family and friends, nobody gives a fuck about you. It’s hilarious that y’all think this is even a possibility. I mean seriously, if I went missing tomorrow, would you know or care? And if not, why would anyone else?

Are you really stating this as a genuine option?! Do you know how fucking expensive that is??

This is absolutely an option. People all over the world do it every day.

Agitating for class consciousness and solidarity with fellow workers

Moving seems easier, quicker, and more effective. But this could work too. Carry on.

Anyway, always fun to chat with college communists. Have a great day.

You can - to a degree - choose who you work for, but to no extent can you choose whether you work.

That’s literally how life and any society works. Let’s rewind all the way to the beginning. If OP doesn’t like working in a society they can fuck off to the wilderness. But! Frontier survival would actually be more work and danger and less free time. Or, OP can move. But it turns out Western societies generally have shorter work weeks than the rest of the world. So what’s OP left with? Misplaced angst and the glaring unwillingness to take control of their own life.

I read OPs post. I quoted it back to you. Both you, and OP, are implicitly arguing that you should be able to both fuck off AND have the benefits of society. That’s actually one of the perks of a functioning society where a member who is to old, sick, or otherwise unable to contribute can be taken care of. Do one of these apply to you or OP? If not, you’re no different than the “already rich assholes” except that you’re takers who are bad at capitalism.

Anyway. Have a nice day.

Because nowhere has anyone said they oppose cooperation.

That is what OP is saying. They want to know what we’d do if we weren’t forced to sell most of our time.

Boy howdy that seems like an ENORMOUS difference.

I agree. But again, that’s not what OP is talking about. As we’ve established, any society requires cooperative work. Neither you or OP has argued that another system wouldn’t require OP to “sell most of their time.” If you’d like to make this argument you might be interested to start here.

What’s a society that isn’t premised on cooperation? Capitalism, communism, and essentially every other form of society are simply differences in how the money is divided up. They’re not differences in the belief that members of society have to work.

The options are not “accept things the way they are” and “bugger off into the wilderness”.

I mean, OP can move to a different society. OP could also stay and vote but I suspect that type of cooperative government might not be what they’re after. So yeah, in general, acceptance and fucking off are the only two real, immediate, choices OP can make. And in the context of this thread, asking OP this question is a great way to get to the point of their complaint.

That’s literally how societies work. You can do everything yourself, or you can cooperate with other people. Cooperating means spending some of your time doing their stuff so they spend some of their time doing your stuff. Cooperating means giving up some free time but probably having more free time overall.

As is, you can have hobbies and interests now. Society isn’t stopping you from that either. You need to realize that your happiness is your responsibility instead of projecting onto the rest of us.

A “not stupid” version of your question might have been “what would you like to spend more time doing.” But that’s not the question you asked. You decide to blame society for you being kind of a pathetic person.

There’s no goalpost shifting. You’re just upset. Because unlike OP who can make changes in their life and childishly refuses to, you feel trapped. But that doesn’t change OPs answer. OP should either fuck off or cowboy up and take ownership of their own life. And it only reinforces for you that you, too, are much better off in a society.

Anyway, best of luck with your illness. Have a nice day.

I think you’ve lost the plot. I simply assumed OP lived in a capitalist society since apparently that’s what’s keeping them down. They’re welcome to fuck off to China, but I suspect China won’t let them in.

So you’re saying OPs life is massively easier in their current capitalist society? 😂🤣😂

Pretty much the entirety of Central Asia, Australia, and everything in the US and Canada from the longitude of the Mississippi River through the west side of the Rockies. It took the US government five years to find Eric Rudolf and he was in a reasonably populated area and they were looking for him.

Not at all. Nothing is stopping OP from opting out. And nothing is stopping OP from having hobbies and interests now. The obvious subtext of their question is that OP wants to fuck off and do whatever, as long as it’s easy. They won’t leave because they’d have to work to survive. Which explains pretty much everything about why they don’t have hobbies now and it’s someone else’s fault.