Though I do think that something like a petition having the power to actually revoke a person’s citizenship is draconian, and should never actually happen in Canada, I do support the sentiment.
You can rest easy, there’s no mechanism for a petition to do anything except draw attention from those who can.
Obviously the petition is to compel Parliament, or whoever is responsible, to take action to do so. I see this sentiment but I think it’s misplaced. The petition is to bring it to the attention of politicians who typically have a blind spot on these things and may not understand or be aware of public sentiment.
There’s no mechanism for a petition to do anything directly. But we all know that. I’m personally immediately suspicious of any attempts to create confusion on this issue. It seems to be disinformation.
This isn’t stupidity, it’s intentional and calculating.
This bare-faced, obvious hypocrisy IS the point. It’s right in our faces, and it forces his supporters to defend it. But it’s the thin edge of the wedge…you defend this, and it shifts your tolerance window a bit, and the next one is a bit more egregious, and you defend that, then a bit more, and so on until you are defending felons and rapists who dismantle the government against your interests, because it supports your guy and hurts people you hate.
At the same time Poilievre’s opponents become even more indignant and angry, and it further divides into two sides - the team, and the other. This is all intended to firm up the cult and further divide out the other.
FUCKIN A RIGHT BUD. We all needed this. One hell of a game, too.
I get your sentiment, but I rather think the comedy above arises from the rhetorical flourishes.
It’s ok, I don’t actually believe this.
Twist ending: Trump comes out as the ultimate leftist neoglobalist. His entire life has been dedicated to cultivating the most unabashed narcissistic piss baby entitled con man personality, as a front, just so he can convince America to share its wealth and power, collapse American hegemony, and permanently destroy conservatism. He’s the only one that has the special Yank whisperer powers to convince an entire nation of dumbfucks to act against their own self interest.
At this point nothing would surprise me.
We had tshirts made for Canada Day, with the Canadian flag, and the words “Proud Canadian…not a douchebag”.
Remarkably everyone we met, and I mean everyone, knew which douchebags we were referring to.
Because AXE THE TAX, LIBERAL CUCK!!
All of this bullshit because some fucking guy couldn’t properly set his windage.
Yeah, a carbon tax that results in perhaps a percent of price inflation is just nowhere near as serious - neither in kind nor degree - as 25% across the board tariffs. And if we need to have emission reduction measures in place to trade with the EU, and trading with the EU is now an existential priority, then frankly he can sit down and shut up. The adults are talking.
(the above assumes all the talk of economic annexation is bluster, which is no longer a foregone conclusion)
both leaders here keep talking about how we Canadians fought hand in hand in <insert war>, took in Americans in 9/11 etc.
I agree they are all saying this, but I sense a difference in intent between Poilievre and the rest.
Maybe it’s my bias, but I feel that Poilievre is saying these things with the intent to convince the Americans - i.e., it’s for the American audience. By contrast, Carney and others are saying these things more for the Canadian audience - to explain why it’s justified to be angry at the Americans and we need to grow up and kick them to the curb.
For Carney and others, it’s a rallying cry; for Poilievre it’s an attempt at appeasement.
This is a good observation. He wants to change his messaging because he sees the writing on the wall. Running around yelling about how shitty the country is, insulting his fellow countrymen, riding a wave of animosity towards minorities, etc. - this is the opposite of unifying. It’s reinforcing the teams. He sees it’s failing now, but he can’t bring himself to actually attack Trump or the GOP. He has to lean into platitudes and empty shows of strength. At the end of the day, it makes him look like he’s not angry enough at the US…probably because he’s not. He doesn’t have an affinity or an understanding of this country beyond narrow political gain, because he’s never spent a day of his adult life outside of politics.
What does that have to do with anything.
Your comment stated that Trudeau was a pathological liar, but he’s better than the ‘alt right’. I assume alt right refers to the PPC, not the CPC, and I assumed you made THAT comparison (LPC to PPC), skipping over CPC, because you support the CPC.
My assumption about your CPC support may be incorrect, but it sure seems to be buttressed by the fact that you stated that Trudeau is an egregious liar, when in reality his dishonesty is no worse than many other politicians, and in regard to bold faced lies about facts (as opposed to, say, broken election promises) he’s nowhere near as bad as Poilievre.
This why I asked you if you could identify any of Poilievre’s many lies, misinformation, or disinformation. Because I suspected you might avoid answering it, as you predictably did. And given that the entire post and originating article is about the CPC, I don’t think it’s really off topic to ask about them. So, can you tell me where Poilievre has lied?
Poilievre has an incredibly lucky moment right now. Never has a Canadian leader had a moment like this, in the last century, maybe ever. He has a fantastically weak Liberal leader that has dragged his party down, and a disastrous US leader who threatens Canada. All Poilievre has to do is step in front of all of this and present a unifying vision. But he can’t do it. He’s incapable of being a leader. He can’t seem to put his petty politics of anger aside and face the reality that the country has an existential threat and that the priorities have changed. Even when he proposes something reasonable (Arctic defense) he has to borrow a Trump move to get there (decimate foreign aid, even though soft power and diplomacy is the reason we have any friends at all right now). He is the very epitome of short term, ideological thinking. Ultimately he represents the populist right wing that will exacerbate wealth inequality and the resulting oligarchy…and we can all see the endgame of this movement playing out to the south of us.
No fucking thank you.
What has Trudeau lied about? What has Poilievre lied about?
We are not supporting Ukraine because of the US. We are supporting them because they are defending against a Russian invasion.
I’m willing to listen to nearly everything you proposed, except for neutrality or cooperation with Russia. Not a chance. They invaded a sovereign country. We don’t sacrifice our principles to that degree, and abandon Ukraine, in the interests of economic gain.
Based on what the US has been doing over the past month, I’m not so sure your trend will continue like this. And in any case, the US is at best an unreliable trading partner, and at worst an enemy of Canada, so we need new trading partners. The EU seems like as good as any.
The hardest thing for our family are the digital services and social media. We are slowly cancelling Amazon, Facebook, Netflix, etc. But some things are used by my wife’s business (Google, Facebook, Insta) and the just isn’t a good replacement for YouTube.
Groceries are not bad thankfully. For hardware and household items, I can usually find a Canadian product if not at least Canadian made. Not being able to order to my door with Amazon is kind of an inconvenience but really we shouldn’t be leaning on that anyway.
Gasoline is an unfortunate reality for us, since we don’t have money for an EV right now and we need a truck to move renovation materials. And unfortunately construction supplies are sometimes a challenge to source (no way I’m going to Home Depot).
I really hope this gives Canadian industry a chance to blossom.
A key problem humanity seems to have, which is exploited by politicians everywhere, is the affinity for black and white thinking.
Capitalism and even neoliberalism are not necessarily categorically terrible. Unregulated versions of these certainly are terrible and unsustainable. And some versions and implementations of ideologies or frameworks are net worse than others.
Absolute austerity, unregulated neoliberalism, unregulated capitalism, unopposed communism, etc, are all terrible, damaging and unsustainable. Unfortunately finding sustainable solutions is difficult and requires thought, time and dedication. And it requires vision and unifying leadership to sell it to the people.