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  • drekly@lemmy.worldtoNo Stupid Questions@lemmy.world*Permanently Deleted*
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    “at one time in the past”

    As did Russians on the land of Ukraine, in their opinion.

    In the 17th/18th century, parts of what is now Ukraine were incorporated into the Russian Empire, especially after the partitions of Poland in the late 18th century. However, other parts remained under Polish or Ottoman rule. The Russian Empire did exert considerable influence over these territories, often implementing Russification policies.

    Throughout the 19th century, the concept of a Ukrainian identity persisted, albeit under the umbrella of the Russian Empire for many regions. Some Ukrainians sought greater autonomy or even independence.

    During the early 20th century, specifically after the Russian Revolution, Ukraine briefly declared independence but was soon incorporated into the Soviet Union as one of its constituent republics. While it was part of the USSR, Ukraine had its own Communist Party, constitution, and administrative structures, but Moscow held ultimate authority.

    It wasn’t until 1991 that Ukraine was an independent country.

    So is Russia allowed to take back the land they feel is theirs, and technically was, 30 years ago?

    Meanwhile, “Israel” hadn’t existed since around 63 BCE when it fell under Roman control. It wasn’t until after WW1 and especially 1947 that Jewish people of the Zionist movement decided to reclaim their religious roots and move back to the area en masse.

    So is Israel allowed to take back the land they feel is theirs, and technically was, 2086 years ago?


    To be clear, I don’t support anyone here. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of allowing Israel to dismantle Palestine whilst fighting the russian dismantlement of Ukraine.

    I don’t think Palestine should be killing civilians, I don’t think Russia should be, I don’t think Israel should be. But they all are. And the media in the UK and US is only really reporting one side of the Israel situation due to their historic involvement, which causes a very one sided view of the situation, where a nation is being slowly invaded and killed whilst blaming them for any retaliation in any form.



  • IF that happened, then we could leave.

    But it hasn’t happened.

    But our Tory government already is super right leaning and that’s all we have now.

    If you voted remain you voted to be a part of the larger EU, if you voted leave you voted to only be governed by the tories.

    If you voted leave you fucked up big time and you’re on the defensive. Swallow your pride and admit it was a bad choice at the time and it’s a bad choice now. Nothing good has come of it.

    The only place you feel like it’s a win is in the fantasy you just mentioned where nazi EU becomes a thing and we escaped just in time.

    But reality is that the UK is a lot more right leaning than the EU as a whole, they’re ruining our country, and you voted to give them more power.


  • But that’s our realistic alternative.

    Either we work with the EU, who (even if not perfect) have sane, useful laws, with oversight of our own government, or we work with the corrupt tories only, who will keep taking and leave us with nothing.

    Perhaps we should have made sure our country wasn’t being run into the ground before getting rid of any oversight.

    But now it’s too late, and the results are clear no matter what your fantasy brexit was. The Tories were in charge when you voted to give them more power. And now they have more power. Shocked Pikachu.



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    I just asked what you believe about that specific topic. You said they have no right to it.

    But they say historically they were there long before Ukraine was ever a thing and it’s rightfully their land, so they’re taking it by force.

    So do you believe that Israel has a right to the land in Palestine due to their historic ties?







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    But surely that person has to appreciate that it’s only happening because his country is killing and stealing the land of another and has been for 75 years, and has essentially kettled them into a literal corner with giant walls and no escape where they have to rely on aid to survive, while killing and injuring huge amounts more of their people. (20x more killed in the last 15 years)

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    Acting in self defence or in anger is pretty understandable given what’s happened.

    It’s like condemning Ukraine for attacking Russia, if Russia had been attacking for almost a century. Russia also claims that Ukrainian land belongs to their country historically. Blows my mind anyone can “both sides” it, and supporting Ukraine whilst condemning Palestine is especially hypocritical. The BBC especially surprised me how blatant the hypocrisy is with their one sided reporting