This doesn’t invalidate my earlier statement that citizens are still subject to city ordinances.

There are around 20,000 cities and municipalities in the United States, most of them have public-nudity/indecent-exposure laws.

You successfully made the point that the legality of city ordinances can be challenged in higher courts (and even sometimes overturned) but the reality is that most people have neither the funding nor the time nor the expertise to take that up…which means ultimately you’re still subject to a city/municipality ordinances as well as state and federal.

In 2017, Tagami v City of Chicago, the US Court of appeals for 7th Circuit ruled 2-1 that the city’s public nudity ordinance did not violate the complainant’s rights and upheld the lower court decisions (which meant that City of Chicago’s ordinance remained intact and validated as enforceable by the city).

At the end of the day, yes you do have to be cognizant of the ordinances/codes of the city in question and cannot rely on State/Federal law alone.

Then they can ask.

When a new/casual user is looking at https://[instance]/communities, with the “ALL” button selected, why would it ever occur to them that they would need to ask others if that really is all the communities communities?

There really should be a link to this on every instance/communities page with a note that if users really want to see “all” communities, they must use a 3rd party search tool to do it.

This is a solution for 1 single person. It doesn’t solve the greater problem that the experience is VERY inconsistent for new users depending on whether they got lucky and first joined a large instance or if they got unlucky and joined a small instance. It also doesn’t retroactively repair the horrible first experience that new users have with lemmy.

What you offered really isn’t an solution as much as it is mansplaining…and that’s not really helpful at all when what we’re talking about here are the perceptions of new users.

You are obviously speaking from the privilege of someone not only familiar with how lemmy works, and who understands the difference and pros/cons of joining a large vs small instance and can probably even name a bunch, but also someone who knows of obscure tools and github repos that host those tools. What prevents users from switching using that obscure tool you referenced is that most users never heard of it and didn’t know it even existed. You are using the argument that new and casual users should have god-level knowledge and understanding…which is exactly the point I’m trying to argue against. Casual and new users don’t know what they don’t know. They don’t know what other communities are out there and they don’t know that when they view “all” that they aren’t seeing them. Think about this from the perspective of someone who doesn’t know what you know.

Regarding your argument about NSFW and foreign language search results…that already happens now when users of your instance have subscribed to those things. You can’t argue that it would become a problem when it’s already happening right now. If it really was the problem that you think it is, then the solution would be to mimic what every other search tool figured out three decades ago and put an option to exclude nsfw results when viewing/searching “all” communities. It’s already possible for communities to flag themselves as NSFW, and it’s already possible for communities to designate their community language setting, it would make sense that those options be presented to users for filtering. These filtering options are things we need now regardless of whether search results come from actual-all or subset-all. I’m just suggesting that “all” mean “actual all”.

But, just for fun, let’s steelman your claim that it would be technologically infeasible for “all” to be “all fediverse” as opposed to a subset of just what this server’s users subscribe to (it’s absolutely not technologically infeasible, but lets pretend it is) - even it that scenario, they should at least change up the UI for the communities page to make it clear that when the user selects “all” that they aren’t really getting all - it should be made clear what the user is actually getting, which is “local, plus foreign content that is subscribed to locally”. It simply is not truly “all”, so presenting it as “all” is only leading to more confusion about what the users are seeing.

The word “all” fundamentally means everything? By calling it “all” they are really doing a disservice to everyone who, gasp, assumes “all” means “all” when it really means “local communities and local user foreign subscriptions”. I don’t know what they should call it, but redefining the words “all” to be “not all” is super confusing, especially for users new to lemmy.

It’s a massive usability issue and a massive content discovery issue, imo.

For lemmy users who got lucky and had their first lemmy experience on a top 5 instance where a lot of popular off-instance communities are already subscribed to, then users would see a huge list of both local and foreign communities. For users who got unlucky and had their first lemmy experience on a small instance, their view of “all” looks like a ghost town.

Part of the problem is semantical. If they are going to call it “all” then it should really be all (all lemmy communities available on all federated instances). If it isn’t going to actually show everything, then they should call it something else that indicates it’s only local communities plus whatever local users are subscribed to.

You are mistaken. City ordinances absolutely comes into play here. In the US, you are subject to federal law, any additional state laws, any additional county laws, and then any additional city municipal-codes/ordinances.

Here’s the Seattle city ordinance that applies:

Seattle Municipal Code, Chapter 12A.10.130 Indecent Exposure, Paragraph A.

A person is guilty of indecent exposure if he or she intentionally makes any open and obscene exposure of his or her person or the person of another knowing that such conduct is likely to cause reasonable affront or alarm.

source:

http://clerk.seattle.gov/search/ordinances/124301#:~:text=10 as follows%3A-,12A.,cause reasonable affront or alarm.

Well, I already named the jurisdiction: Seattle, Washington, USA.

The date/time shouldn’t matter since the ordinances haven’t changed, but it was Aug 12, 2012 just in case anyone reading this just happened to be in Seattle at the time and saw us. It was spectated by quite a number of people due to the size of the production - we had lights, a make-up/hair stylist, my assistant, the model, plus security.

Putting a Netflix show on DVD and selling it is absolutely illegal unless they have a distribution license provided by the copyright holder.

It would be legal after copyright expires (in the US, copyright exists for the lifespan of the author/creator + 70 years). Keep in mind that the US has stricter copyright laws than most of the rest of the world.

For other items, like physical functional items, reproductions are generally legal unless the item is patented. And it would still not be legal for the reproduction to also reproduce any registered names or trademarks associated with the original. Example: you could legally reproduce and sell knockoff Nike Air Jordans as long as you didn’t use the Nike swoosh or any likenesses of the copyrighted artwork. For items that are patented, or patent pending - making and selling reproductions is illegal - and for most patented items the reproduction doesn’t even have to be identical for it to be infringing, just replicating the functionality is probably infringing.

It depends entirely on the jurisdiction. Take the city of Seattle, for example (I know this because I planned an executed a nude photo shoot in public view inside the city limits and sought legal council ahead of time to ensure I wan’t risking being charged with any crimes). The general rule for Seattle hinges on whether the activity is intended to tittilate or sexually arouse observers - and if that is obviously not the intent, then even full nudity is not illegal. Many other large cities have very similar ordinances.

The smaller the town, and the more conservative the region, the stricter and less flexible the ordinances. There are beaches in South Carolina, for example, where they even regulate the minimum amount of coverage for bikinis and beachware.

Is the new community for sharing knowledge only, or is it also a place to ask questions (ie: “What is the etymology of [xyz]?”)?

There are no benefits to it now…unless you are part of the minority who exploits and benefits from it.

First, votes aren’t exactly transparent, but they also aren’t completely private either. User voting records are stored in databases that instance owners have access to, so it’s possible for them to see (and/or even publish) up/down voting history. KBin already does this publicly. So I can see an argument being made that if the info is available to some people, it should be available to all people.

Personally, I wouldn’t care if my upvotes and downvotes are exposed to the commenters/posters that I voted on, but I’m concerned about the possibility of it being used for discrimination. Imagine me following/participating in a community and then being immediately banned from that community solely because a community moderator didn’t like how I upvoted/downvoted on things. For example, say I want to participate in a philosophy or politic themed community and one of the mods there just happens to be very conservative and decides to exclude me just because I upvoted something that was NSFW once upon a time and they disapproved of that behavior? This will absolutely happen if all voting is public. On reddit, a similar form of discrimination happened by analyzing where people posted and they would be banned from certain subreddits just based on the other subreddits they have been active on- and even worse was that this was often done by a bot without regard for the actual comments made. I recall a very specific example of someone who used to hop into r/conservative to challenge or antagonize certain lines of thinking and they were banned from liberal/progressive subreddits because of their activity on r/conservative despite the fact that they were not sympathetic to anything on r/conservative. That same discrimination can (and probably does) happen on Lemmy already, but making voting history public will take it to the next level.

If voting ever did become public on lemmy, then at a minimum users should be able to see/review/audit their voting history and be given the ability to retroactively delete some/all of it.

You’re also ignoring the fact that it’s trivial to create/use alternate lemmy accounts. If voting records were public, it would just drive people to create multiple accounts from which to vote on things - to compartmentalize their interactions with different communities or users. Since this fact means that users would STILL be able to hide/mask their voting history, I think this is a good argument that it makes no logical sense to make voting records public.

I think an ideal solution would be for users to just have a choice to make their voting public or to keep it private, or to selectively publicize or keep secret on a vote-by-vote bases.

I had to quit using jerboa weeks ago (too unstable) and switched to something different. Glad you found it. The public modlog is awesome. It’s one of the significant and intentional differences from reddit (which does not expose moderation activity to users). Having the modlog be public forces transparency and accountability, which is refreshing.

If your chosen mobile app doesn’t offer the feature, then you can’t. Every app that does offer the feature does it differently, so it’s impossible for me to give you a single guidance that works on every mobile app.

I assume you do have access to a web browser on mobile though, so open your web browser, navigate to the instance hosting the community and/or your own home instance, and then depending on the layout used by your device the modlog will be a clickable link in the sidebar to the right, or will appear as a link near the bottom of the page after scrolling to the bottom.

First, always start by reading the public modlog. Mod logs are public.

Next: how about an example? I’m not seeing what you describe, so I’d really appreciate a reference (link) to whatever it is you are describing.

Yes, and even more chance of that happening today than 5 years ago. Reason: because of the modern day prevalence of the ‘fake reply’ SPAM and Phishing emails. Spammers and phishers are now drafting fresh messages mocked up to look like replies in existing email threads…older spam detection used to let these types of messages slip through because they thought they must be legitimate replies, and so naturally spammers started exploiting that to slip past detection. Modern detection no longer gives apparant replies a free pass.

I must be completely “dull witted” then. When I first started looking into lemmy, I went to the official “join-lemmy.org” website, clicked on “join a server” and picked one of the top listed recommended results. It just happened to be a VERY small and VERY new instance. But as a completely stupid dull witted new user who knew literally nothing about lemmy, I didn’t know any better.

After joining that instance and looking for communities on it, I only saw the local communities plus a few non local communities from larger instances and I legit thought that’s all there was on lemmy. I mean, it was clear I was seeing the local ones, and it was clear I was seeing some nonlocal ones, who why tf would I expect that I wasn’t seeing everything?

Your perspective is tainted by the fact that you know how it all works. People new to lemmy don’t, and I’m telling you that the onboarding and community discovery process is dogshit. I beg you to try considering things from the perspective of a newer user.

I tried mutualaidhub.org - and found another one that is about 45 miles from me so I went to their site to check it out. From what I can tell, it’s nothing more than a hyper-localized version of gofundme.com. It seems most of these things are just links to facebook groups. I don’t think these things are as organized or as helpful as your original post made them out to be.

Also, for the record, I’m not actually looking for assistance. I’ve honestly never heard of this thing until your post and just am trying to learn more about them, what they do, who and how they help, and maybe find something I could contribute. These things do not seem like a very viable alternative to traditional social services.