Good question. Like we measure or prove anything in science or math?

If it’s a scientific theory like a law of nature, you can create novel testable predictions on how it’ll affect the minds of moral agents like humans.

If it’s based on math we can derive moral truths from axioms. E.g using game theory.

Whatever you use for most things we can derive the same conclusions. That’s why most professional philosophers believe in objective morality.

You should read the link I shared. It contains explanations, many more arguments and counter arguments put forth across thousands of years.

Our designers forced miro on us. It was so horrific I told them even Google docs is better for this. They laughed it off condescendingly.

We shouldn’t underestimate the sentience of insects. Some ants passed the mirror test—a test of self awareness.

I’m going hiking tomorrow. I hope it doesn’t get cancelled.🤞

It’s hard to find something to say that my younger self would understand and use it to make a difference. Sometimes you just have to evolve just the way you did even if it was hell.

And the struggles never go away as you go older. They are just different.

I mean It’s fine to disagree. What do you believe makes anything objective like physical constants or math? Or do you believe everything is subjective (based on opinion)?

I believe in objective morality so do the majority of professional philosophers according to surveys but that’s irrelevant.

I didn’t want to bring up my personal beliefs into the discussion.

ought’s are separate from morality. The Euthyphro dilemma illustrates this:

“Is something good because you ought to do it or you ought to do it because it’s good?”

If you agree with the latter then what makes something good (morality) is separate and can be used to derive oughts.

There are many models of objective morality. Famous ones are based on God or karma which is a law of nature in Buddhism. It’s like a weak law like you can go against like how you can pull two magnets apart using a greater force.

I suggest you read the link I shared.

Some think that earth is flat, some think it is round. That doesn’t mean there’s no objective truth. One of those two possibilities is a fact.

Moral realism

Calling slaughter of an animal “murder” doesn’t follow

Yeah murder technically means an unlawful killing of another human being. You can replace “murder” with the word “slaughter” in the argument.

you can’t make logical argument on moral ideas

I was writing from a perspective of moral realism which says objective moral facts exist just like in math or science. (Not everyone agrees with it)

So in this framework, you can treat “torturing innocent is wrong” as any other objective claim like “magnets attract iron” or 1+1=2.

because passing time without a smartphone is just too darn hard.

If you believe that moral facts are self evident or intuitive—I think it’s called intuitionism—we can solve this dilemma.

The hidden weakness is the premise “murder is wrong,” because it may not be true

It’s intuitive that murder is wrong so under intuitionism it becomes a fact.

talking animal bred to want its own consumption

I think ethical vegans avoid meat because the animal didn’t consent to being killed. If some animal wants to be eaten, it’ll be morally good to fulfil its desire like assisted suicide or euthanasia in case of humans.

I am finding some papers that say natto, tempeh, seaweed, sauerkraut etc may contain B12 though it’s not shown on nutrient charts like on wikipedia. And one review even says natto is rich in B12 ?!

Most importantly it works for you. So that’s good.

Ikr. Lemmy and piefed are gifts to humanity.

I think we are becoming more and more aware of the exploits of the rich.

Vegans can ferment things if you feel you aren’t getting B12.

What fermented food do you eat to maintain normal B12 levels? I have read quite a few food charts. Fermentation seems to increase other B vitamins but B12 is usually not present.

Why didn’t the toilet paper cross the street?

fair enough. I did tell it the poem existed. I first described a made up poem vaguely and asked who wrote it. It gave a name.

Then I asked chatgpt to recite the poem as written by the poet. It refused and said it was copyrighted. 😆

That’s a great journey thanks for sharing.

Plant based is so broad that even a diet of fried food, coke, and donuts would fall under it. I’m shocked that your doctor didn’t ask you to cut refined carbs.

I have a really nice physique now so all that running and swimming must’ve helped.

🥳

The side effects of blue grass addiction can be too severe sometimes…