So at best we don’t know whether or not AI CSAM without CSAM training data is possible. “This AI used CSAM training data” is not an answer to that question. It is even less of an answer to the question “Should AI generated CSAM be illegal?” Just like “elephants get killed for their ivory” is not an answer to “should pianos be illegal?”

If your argument is that yes, all AI CSAM should be illegal whether or not the training used real CSAM, then argue that point. Whether or not any specific AI used CSAM to train is an irrelevant non sequitur. A lot of what you’re doing now is replying to “pencils should not be illegal just because some people write bad stuff” with the equivalent of “this one guy did some bad stuff before writing it down”. That is completely unrelated to the argument being made.

So why are you posting all over this thread about how CSAM was included in the training set if that is in your opinion ultimately irrelevant with regards to the topic of the post and discussion, the morality of using AI to generate CSAM?

I know. So to confirm, you’re saying that you’re okay with AI generated CSAM as long as the training data for the model didn’t include any CSAM?

Sounds to me it would be more like outlawing grand pianos because of all of the dead elephants - while some people are claiming that it is possible to make a grand piano without killing elephants.

Also Conquest of Paradise for me! I had the tune randomly pop up in my head for well over a decade, probably close to two, without having any idea what it was. Every few years I tried finding out what it was, but to no avail. Online melody searches weren’t that good, and when I hummed the melody to people or played it on the piano, people either had no clue or, at best, were like “that sounds familiar but I have no idea what it is”. I even toyed with the idea that I had come up with the melody myself, though I did find it unlikely.

I can’t describe the happiness I felt when I finally discovered the actual song when I once again tried finding it, this time by humming into Google’s music search thing

I mean.

One might be a coincidence.

Two out of two? Considering how few high profile whistleblowers there are, that is much more unlikely to be due to random chance, statistically speaking.

Similar to how it’s not impossible that someone might fall out of a window and die.

But if in a certain country, important people who have crossed the leadership keep falling out of windows, … well.

In my language, the word for coal refers to both types, but you can specify “wood coal” or “rock coal” if necessary.

I’m not sure why they want to make Russian people believe that Putin and his SMO are causing this misery to them but ok

Sure then, if you want to call it that. But did it work? Were countries not invaded by the US thanks to Swedish appeasement?

What I’m saying is, if China and Russia truly cared about what the US is doing, they could choose to sanction the US and the West just like the West is doing to Russia right now. Like you say, China throwing their weight in would certainly have an influence.

Sure they would, but not as much as Russia doing the same but much closer to Sweden.

Maybe they should stop being such goody-two-shoes then if they want to have an influence in the world.

Wars “breaking out” like it isn’t Russia invading everybody else lmao

Now you lost me, surely Hitler was being appeased by the Allies allowing him to do things they would’ve preferred him not to do?

Ah yes, Russia and China, so well known for following international law to the letter.

It’s not appeasement if the party being “appeased” is not opposed to you to begin with.

Because the US geopolitical goals and actions, while often reprehensible, generally speaking aren’t against Swedish interests, whereas Russia is a much more direct threat to Sweden.

Why does China keep appeasing the US by not sending weapons to support Russia?

Can you explain why Russia and China haven’t sanctioned the US if they are so opposed to what the US is doing?

Also funny how this “appeasement never works” fanaticism never applies to NATO and it’s members

Yeah, funny how Russia, China and friends haven’t sanctioned the US and other countries. They have the full right to do that instead of continuing to appease them.

Russia can’t conquer even a quarter of Ukraine, and they still invaded Ukraine. Sweden and Finland know that Russia can’t conquer them, and that knowledge has made them stay neutral in the past. But Russia has just shown with Ukraine that they might try anyway just because, and it’s a huge pain in the ass for Ukraine and for everybody else in Europe too. So it’s only natural that Sweden and Finland would like to avoid even being tried to be conquered by Russia.

And like we can see, the Russian invasion of Ukraine also impacts France, the UK, and Canada. It’s not that these countries have decided to brainlessly follow the US. They want to support other countries who are at more risk of being invaded by Russia because countries being invaded by Russia is a huge pain in the ass for everybody in the region, not just the country being invaded. So their foreign policy goals simply happen to line up with the US goals.