This isn’t just relevant to Lemmy because it’s culturally intertwined with Lemmy but also because there’s a search engine database now that acts as a registry for anyone promoting any of the mass shooters (Luigi, Robin, Tyler, etc.).
China currently bans anyone from entering who denies their narrative about Tiananmen Square. It’s the same deal here. There’s also a couple of already-controversial Lemmy users who are collaborating with the US government by judas-kissing everyone after having honeypotted them. One of them having been infamous for banning people who promoted “blind alignment with Luigi Mangione” [sic].
unless the nazi states of america start acting outside of their country, I don’t think I’m too concerned about it. I’m not planning on ever visiting again, at least in the foreseeable future.
be safe down there, though, folks
i’m pretty close to that. I’ve not said anything directly pro-murder, but plenty anti-kirk and anti-trump.
I’m not pro shooter, but, as a Canadian, my facebook page is full of political concerns about Trump, and the USA’s decline into facism. I wouldnt expect to be allowed in into the anti-free speech zones Trump is creating.
Glad I don’t live in the US because the administration is fine with promoting hatred against women, transgender people and people who aren’t white but this is where they draw the line. Safe to say they’re scared shitless. Good lmao
for anyone promoting any of the mass shooters (Luigi, Robin, Tyler, etc.).
Luigi and Tyler are alleged assassins, NOT mass shooters.
Not to be a pedant, but the word assassination is usually used for government leaders and prominent people. I know that the far right in the US sees right wing podcasters as Jesus, but I don’t believe the person who shot and killed Kirk was trying to seize power. I absolutely could be wrong, of course
It’s not pedantic if it educates. I appreciate the correction.
It’s not your fault in any way. It’s what they’re using on the news. They’re treating this like a head of state was assassinated for power or something. People are calling the police if they see a flag that isn’t lowered. It’s insane here.
They way they’re treating Kirks death I would have thought he was some senator or high ranking military personnel.
…not some right wing influencer.
Whoops. Meant to say just “shooters”.
Alleged shooters. I have not seen any conviction on Luigi yet.
Has he even been in the news lately?
Yes, literally yesterday when the terrorism charges were dropped.
I’m surprised they’d actually oblige on that.
What is your purpose right now? Is this just superstitious behaviour? Do you actually believe that something bad could happen to someone who doesn’t use the magic incantation, “alleged?” Is this some kind of weird expression of respect for a murderer? So perplexing.
Alleged murderer
Same questions.
Allegedly
Opening it up to speculation from the room.
Hate speech for thee, but not for me. Nazi scum do love their lists.
TheObviousSolution, that’s “The” “Obvious” “Solution”, without spaces.
If you are going to be afraid of what you say because of what despots and their cult followings are going to do, they have already won. The fact is, they aren’t going after pro-shooter content, they are using Charlie Kirk to go after their political opponents. One way to go after them is to go after people capable of critical thinking, i.e. that point out that Charlie Kirk promoted hate speech, suffered an ironic death by the typical MAGA household profile shooter, and that people are free to now celebrate the absence of his hate. Don’t be an asshole, force me into your funeral, then expect me to respect it.
There’s also a couple of already-controversial Lemmy users who are collaborating with the US government by judas-kissing everyone after having honeypotted them.
What?
Judas-kissing is a midwest term. It means using covert means to mark someone as a person of interest for other people. It comes from the story of Judas kissing Jesus as a way to tell the Romans which person in the audience was Jesus.
“Honeypot” is government slang. It means an organization secretly made to keep track of a certain demographic. In this case, it refers to the government using the fediverse as a litmus test for whoever they think is worth putting under their radar.
I’d doublecheck on your sources for “honeypot”
Are you willing to name the Lemmy users doing this?
Your wording leaves me wondering whether you’re suggesting that they’re actively working with the feds, or just being helpful to them without that intent?
For better or worse, the government isn’t dumb and they’re aware not everyone in the fediverse is who they’re looking for. The fediverse is very feudal, and the government has occasionally popped in to subtly ask the disillusioned for pointers, since simple spying often leads to questions. So there’s active collaboration here.
Keep in mind this is a recent development in fairly old news. Trump was known in the beginning to vet immigrants for their social media presence. The freedom from lèse-majesté as it’s called has been broken.
So no, you can’t name them. Or really have anything but speculation
It baffles me why Davel thought I was a recurring troll, and then had to unban me just to ban me again so that I appeared at the top of the modlogs. Does he genuinely think I’m any of those users, or is this a game of satisfaction to him as this would imply?
Not really what I said. Though I think this was answered better in the other exchange where someone asked.
I’ve reported you to the US government. Removal pending
Check the modlog https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?userId=19760989
Edit: https://archive.ph/OCyVG
That’s a mess I was caught up in. None of those people are me or are liked by me.
Maybe I’m old fashioned but I don’t think “pro-shooter content” should be a thing to begin with.
How are you aware of alleged Lemmy users collaborating with the US government? It almost sounds like you are implying you have insider knowledge of the focus of US federal agents.
It’s not new news. It’s just a new development in that news. Spying was already a topic with Luigi and Robin, but Charlie Kirk’s assassination was an enormous deal apparently, with world leaders the world over paying respects. That kicked off a whole search engine based registry, which MSNBC reported on. Some of this involves a doxxing process, and even if this wasn’t already made clear, you could put two and two together and get an idea that Lemmy would play a huge part in this and would be the thing all the paper trails lead to.
As for knowing exactly who is working with the NSA, people working for the agency would follow the same tactics. They entice a reaction, fake-debate with people, mine people for knowledge while knowing who probably is and isn’t sympathetic to extremists (even though they would play it safe and treat everyone the same). They’re not afraid to outright sit down with trustees though (recall the story of Orwell ratting out his comrades), and the crew behind the search engine registry isn’t classified. Some people will brag and say they’re working with the government as a flex, and occasionally it will be consistent with events surrounding suspects.
I see. So it’s speculation then.
When your adversary is the spooks… That’s the best you are gonna get.
How incredulous.
Said a guy who gets on here defending pedos
Wait, what ?
Of course not. I don’t even know the discussion he’s talking about. If you look in my comment history, I have commented that pedophiles and child molesters are different populations and that using the words synonymously is ableism. That was super triggering to a lot of people.
A while back… There a discussion about pedo, I think OP was some vile confirmed shit, some people made off hand remarks about the wood chipper or whatever. Jerkface got into pissing context over it.
Sure Prolly shouldn’t be killing off random people accused of being pedos but he don’t even bother to acknowledge the victims.his concern is that the pedos don’t get harmed lol
I couldn’t have explained that aspect better. Thanks.
If by speculation you mean indirect confirmation.
This seems like a… lot. Sometimes if someone spends too much time online, they start to see conspiracies where there aren’t any.
I really do despise authoritarianism. If only there was some way to become rid of it.
We could always switch to committee-based governance.
As a non-amerikkkan who studied history back in the day, check French history. They explored some ways to become rid of bad people in power in general.
China currently bans anyone from entering who denies their narrative about Tiananmen Square.
I don’t think they do. I think they would if you decided to start telling people in China about it. But if you shut up while you’re in China and haven’t shown any signs of trying to influence the Chinese people, they don’t really care.
You’d be surprised. Any time some famous YouTube host says anything about Tiananmen Square, there’s almost always an obligatory drama queen remark about being banned from China the moment it gets uploaded (I say “drama queen remark” because I would be surprised if anyone would actually want to go to China aside from seeing the great wall and marking it off a bucket list of every nation that ever existed).
That’s a celebrity. Nobody cares if you’re an average person and not too loud. Although the list of celebrities on the Wikipedia list of banned people from China seems to be people who did/said stuff while in China, often to an audience.
I’m confused. Is it just users furnishing the gov with usernames? Or is it mods, who could potentially have access to a user’s email used to sign up with their instance? Do mods have access to that, or just admins?
You can spin up your own instance and see a whole bunch of shit like IP addresses, vote history, etc.
I think it would be naive to think that the various 3 letter agencies wouldn’t have their own instance to surveill us.
A mix of all the above. Recall that time in American history that Orwell ratted on his comrades.
Those fuckers (sadly in charge) are scared shitless.
They have a weird way of showing it.
I’m forever grateful for the fact that I’m not 'Murican
Do you ever plan to go to Murica or have family in Murica?
I have someone special to me in 'Murica
We’re working on her visa to get her the fuck out of there
I go over all the time to see her
Be careful out there.
I delete all social media apps from my phone before I get to immigration
I’m there enough that they can see my travel history and I pretty much get waved through now
I make sure that I don’t make myself a target though
