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    God I love seeing all the hateful pro-nazi talking points removed form the comments before they have a chance to infect my eyeballs with their shitty takes. Thank you, Mod.

    (clarity- this is not sarcasm)

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    EU: Shamelessly tramples on freedom of speech

    EU stans: “It would have been against freedom of speech to not take their money, actually”

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    Really? Starving children? Their bank accounts were seized, they weren’t imprisoned. The mother should be able to plan ahead for some days.

    Honestly this kind of catastrophizing makes it difficult to understand what the actual issue is, which is a journalist is being sanctioned for being critical of their government

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      On the one hand I agree, what is this “quite literally the European Union is starving kids”? I’m going to need some information about how the European Union is in charge of Germany for blocking someone’s bank account and how they are starving kids “literally”.

      What seemingly has happened is terrible, and you are a bit misguided on the “the mother should be able to plan ahead”, but they are not being tortured, they are not imprisoned without food… They shouldn’t have to go through this but they have options and alternatives, even if it is going to charities, food banks or else. The whole idea implied that the EU is forcibly starving some kids is crazy and makes me have real trust issues here with how this is “reported”. Unfortunately I have no issues either thinking that this is being used as coercion or censoring by threatening the family of an unruly reporter. I hope this gets properly investigated and hopefully the wronged parties get compensation but the amount of people here falling for the ragebait or just pushing for it is terrible. I’ll have to loom for some sources to understand better the situation, if it is as represented in the post, this needs to go widely known.

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        OK there’s now a link in the post, unfortunately to x but it will have to do for now. It is posted by Dogru’s account too, so clearly it will show his point of view. But he does seem a lot more sensible than this post was:

        “The federal government and its institutions have systematically selected us as a target: first me, then my wife, and now our toddlers and infants are affected. This decision deliberately endangers the welfare and health of our children,” he says. He argues that this contradicts not only international law, but also the German Basic Law, which guarantees the protection of children’s welfare. … “The aim of these measures is to break me and my family. The authorities are going so far as to knowingly endanger the health and well-being of infants,” says Doğru. “A possible next stage of escalation could consist of taking our children away from us—based on a situation created by the authorities themselves.”

        As for the topic in this post, as bad as it is for Dogru and his family, they are still allowed to use some money it seems, just not enough for everything:

        Although the German Federal Bank had allowed the journalist to use 506 euros per month for basic needs, according to the court payments beyond that amount were not covered.

        There’s definitely a worse part on all this:

        The lawyer said that his client is not permitted to receive monetary donations and is also not allowed to accept food assistance. When asked whether a neighbor could already make himself liable to prosecution by bringing Doğru bread, Gorski answered: “Yes, the neighbor would theoretically make himself liable to prosecution.”

        What the fuck is that about… How does that make any fucking sense. Now, that pisses me off to no end.

        Fortunately there seems to be a lot more movement on this than it seemed implied at first. I hope their family manage to solve this and fast and those assholes that started this get to pay ten fold.

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        It’s absolutely coercion, and it’s something that we have to be ready for as a group. Right or wrong, it doesn’t help the mom and kids to decry these kinds of abuses. Creating the structure that robs governments of this power to coerce their citizens will help, if that’s child care or other direct action.

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          We should all have a plan in place in case our bank accounts are illegally seized I have my money buried in a secret location in the woods nearby

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          Ahead enough of what? Should we have contingency plans in case the EU one day out of the blue decides to sanction us??? How far ahead should we be planning? Stock up for a year? How should we pay rent, utilities, health insurance etc with no bank account?

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          So you’re saying he shouldn’t have covered the genocide in Gaza, or that he should have put money in his mattress, and it’s his fault his children are now at risk, rather than the system that decided to sanction him over his coverage of Gaza?

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            No. He’s provided an invaluable service to the rest of us. Ideally someone is his community offer to care for the children while his wife disentangles herself from the sanctions. He knew since last year he was being sanctioned, it’s not responsible to forgoe a contingency plan for his loved ones.

            This shouldn’t have been a surprise, and it should be a wake-up call for other journalists to create these sort of contingency plans.

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              Bro the contingency was his wife had money and could shoulder the burden for a little while. Then they froze all of her assets too. You know, the person NOT under sanctions for covering isreals ethnic cleansing.

              TF is wrong with you?

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      Both are issues, actual, as in they are actually happening (the sanction and therefore the unability to provide for the children)

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    It would be nice to see some objective information of what even happened there. There is next to no information in the image above, other than some German account closure by Germany due to § 3 Abs. Sanktionsdurchführungsgesetz.

    Surely there is more information in that official paper than just that first page.

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      He’s a German citizen that was accused of “Russian misinformation”, which these days means any criticism of EU actions:

      Doğru has consistently opposed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, a stance he reiterated in public statements. However, his critical reporting on German domestic policies, particularly the suppression of Palestine solidarity actions, drew scrutiny from mainstream media and officials.

      The EU rationale links these actions to Russian interests: By amplifying narratives critical of Western policies (e.g., support for Israel or repression of protests), Doğru is said to indirectly aid Moscow’s efforts to sow division in Europe.

      Maybe the EU shouldn’t be doing the things that are sowing division?? Maybe the criticism is grassroots and not funded by Ruzzia??

      So his accounts were frozen in retaliation, and now his wife’s accounts were also frozen due to a shared car insurance. It is the typical silencing of critics that Francesca Albanese is also subjected to.

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    When they can take money from the weakest they do it. When Papa Netanjahu does something illegal (literal genocide and blocking humanitarian aid) they stay silent.

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      Sadly this is EU wide sanctions. The entire EU apparatus has come together to sanction people who speak up against genocide.

      That said, the campaign against the journalist was very much done by Zionist propaganda outlets and politicians in Nazi Germany in a coordinated Nazi blood libel campaign.

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        Haven’t seen a single instance of that which you describe in Portugal, were I live, and the country is currently ruled by the mainstream rightwing party which is basically the party formed by ex-Fascists after the Revolution in 74 which overthrew the Fascist Dictatorship and are definitelly pro-Israel (though most of the population is not, possibly because only a small part of the Press pushes pro-American Propaganda)

        It would be a massive scandal around here if they tried to do shit like that - plenty of people who lived under Fascism are still alive and remember the censorship and state police.

        Next door Spain too, isn’t doing that kind of shit as far as I know, mainly because the government there is center-left (if it was the “center”-right party, I bet they would try it, since they seem to be closer to their Fascist roots than the one in Portugal).

        Also haven’t heard anything like that from The Netherlands (were I used to live).

        Absolutelly, there are several of countries in Europe doing that kind of shit, most notably Germany and Britain, but as far as I can tell they’re a minority rather than a majority.

        Whilst I don’t doubt the likes of Germany (and their agent who heads the EU Commission) would push for that kind of shit at an EU level (and plenty of country would give it lip service given Germany’s importance in the EU), A LOT of countries in Europe have societies which are against that censorship because of their values (Scandinavia, The Netherlands) or because they’ve lived under Fascism not that long ago and many people react badly against anything with a wiff of secret police and censorship (Portugal, Spain, probably Greece).

        Also the EU Parliament is properly independent and, being way more representative than the EU Comission (thanks to actually being elected, via Proportional Vote no less) shies away from actual repressive measures like that - vaguelly worded condemning motions, sure, actually censoring people, not really.

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            He wasn’t expelled, he was arrested under a European Arrest Warrant issued by Austria, something that they could only do because the “crimes” he was accused of were commited in Austria.

            Once in Austria he ended up being released by the Austrian authorities, so I guess the Austrian court system still works as it’s supposed to in a Democratic country.

            From the side of The Netherlands that was bureaucracy doing it’s thing and obbeying that legal mechanism rather than that country practicing censorship.

            But yeah, I’ve been quite worried about the European Arrest Warrant system being abused exactly because countries that are sliding into Fascism can use it to project their politics abroad, as well as other kinds of things which had influence in this situation such as the US having put Gaza Now in its list of terrorist organisations and Europe going along with it.

            That’s not Europe as a whole repressing the voices of Palestinians, or even The Netherlands doing it, it’s a broader problem of how certain systems in the EU can be abused by Fascists if they take over in certain European countries as well as the excessive influence of America (which is way more rightwing) in Europe.

            As for what the authorities in Austria did, frankly that’s not surprising or representative of most of the EU: Austria has had the far-right in power longer than everybody else in Europe and they’re pretty much a worse version of Germany, it’s just that, because they’re much smaller, it’s not generally talked about.

            It’s quite a stretch to go from this to saying that Europe is NAZI.

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              From the side of The Netherlands that was bureaucracy doing it’s thing and obbeying that legal mechanism

              Just following orders, if you will.

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      Look how they caved in and licking boots of the Trump. The greens who voted against MERCOSUR deal fully supported the US deal. They are more like green washing party than green party and then we have genocide cheer leader Annalena. Nazi just like her grand parents.

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      They are using the paragraph they invented to silence journalists presenting an anti-ukraine perspective but the man has been reporting on the palestinian genocide and not ukraine afaik.

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        Indeed. https://x.com/i/status/2038203613567144354

        Doğru rejects the allegations. He confirms that he previously worked for Redfish, a format financed by the Russian broadcaster Ruptly. In the course of the Russian attack on Ukraine, however, he ended the employment relationship.

        “I have always criticized that it was an invasion of Ukraine,” he said already in November 2025 in a conversation with Berliner Zeitung.

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      I don’t trust European governments considering their support for Israel, but even if that were true, does that give them the right to punish young children?

              • Freezing accounts is a preventative measure. The German government must have evidence that there’s likely criminal proceeds on these accounts, plus a real risk that these funds would be transferred elsewhere. A court case usually follows fairly quickly.

                If a billionaire is accused of fraud, you wouldn’t want to allow them to transfer all their wealth out of the country before you can fine them, right?

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                  Yeah, if the German government persecutes someone, that means they must have evidence to justify it…

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              Isn’t that deeply disturbing to you? They can enact collective punishment like that and don’t even need to publicize why? This is what they keep telling us to slander the democratic peoples republic of korea

                • We don’t know if this is collective punishment, you’ve assumed so but we have no proof of that.

                • I don’t mind protecting people’s privacy and publicizing what crimes someone has been accused of, since just the accusation can have serious consequences. Imagine someone is accused of terrorism, this gets out to all the neighbours, and finally the judge clears their name; will those neighbours still trust them?

                • The people whose accounts are concerned will receive the reason why the accounts were blocked. They too haven’t publicized it.

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                  Edit: op mended with the journalists account of what happened. This is really scary. https://x.com/hussedogru/status/2038203613567144354

                  We don’t know if this is collective punishment, you’ve assumed so but we have no proof of that.

                  Do you think they’ll just come out and say that? Her husband is a pro-palestine journalist and she gets her bank accounts frozen because of it what else would you call it?

                  I don’t mind protecting people’s privacy and publicizing what crimes someone has been accused of

                  She is already facing the sentencing though. The punishment is already doled out, without a trial.

                  The people whose accounts are concerned will receive the reason why the accounts were blocked. They too haven’t publicized it.

                  There is no formal charge, there is no trial, the EU can just sanction you apparently and you have to fight them while under sanction.

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          Neither is molesting them enough for a “get into jail free card” or at least a “get impeached free card”, seeing all the people on The List.

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        They blocked his wife’s bank account, I assume she’s not a young child.

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            Sure, but they are not going to starve as written in the title. That’s just a blunt lie. They live in Germany and there are plenty of support options.

            If the parents commit a crime related to their bank account, it’s reasonable to block these accounts.

            The more relevant question is whether anything illegal has happened through his wive’s bank account. If so, block it. If not, don’t you dare block it. Simple as that

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              https://x.com/hussedogru/status/2038203613567144354

              How far-reaching the consequences of the sanctions regime have become, according to the defense, was made clear by lawyer Gorski in an interview with Berliner Zeitung. The lawyer said that his client is not permitted to receive monetary donations and is also not allowed to accept food assistance. When asked whether a neighbor could already make himself liable to prosecution by bringing Doğru bread, Gorski answered: “Yes, the neighbor would theoretically make himself liable to prosecution.”

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              You seem to assume that she did something illegal based on the account being blocked, but that doesn’t always work like that

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                Did you even read my comment? This is precisely the point. If something illegal happened through her bank account, that would be the only viable reason to block it. If not, there is no justification to block it.

                The account blocking has taken a form recently that I condemn, I don’t think this should be used in the political discourse.

                From the information I could gather about the case, I can’t say what happened through her account. There are some vague statements from the Bundespressekonferenz that make it seem like the government/EU takes that position. The family and lawyer claim the opposite.

                In this case, I would tend to side with the family until we know more. My point was just that there is quite a stretch between blocking a bank account and starving children.

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                  I read it and didn’t get this even from re-reading now

                  The account blocking has taken a form recently that I condemn

                  It looks like we were agreeing, but it was hard to say

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                Caritas, Diakonie, churches, several others. You must be trolling at this point

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                  no, i’m german with a disabled wife andstwo kids. I know you are talking out your ass because those institutions don’t offer services to poor people in terms off food assistance. The only notable such service is “die tafel” but good luck finding one that isn’t booked up for the next two years. There are some “lebensmittelrettung” whatsappgroups but they are first-come first-serve and usually just want to offload their stuff asap which, for people with kids this means you usually get the leftovers of what already are leftovers.

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    Pro tip: banning all discourse does not make your post better.