Pirating is still consumption. I never made an argument against it. And there are plenty of perspectives (none that I personally agree with) that will argue that pirating media is unethical. Also, not everyone can pirate things, not everyone is that tech savvy to not get caught, and denying themselves simple comforts does nothing to stop the system from being what it is. Also, not everything can be pirated in the case of physical objects for people who want to indulge in a fandom.
No matter what you purchase under capitalism, you are supporting bigotry and oppression to some degree. There is no escaping it. So instead of arguing about the arbitrary line at which the degree of separation is far enough removed before you can enjoy something without guilt, maybe start talking about actually dismantling the system that allows them to oppress others to begin with?
Theres also a massive distinction between consuming something necessary/important, vs consuming something 100% optional.
Harry Potter isnt food, shelter, or any other kind of critical necessity.
Theres literally countless better alternatives to Harry Potter media you can choose to consume from that doesnt directly put money straight into the pocket of someone actively funding direct harm
This isn’t multiple layers of washing here, that money basically goes straight towards actively harming minority groups.
Its not even a good fucking book, and I used to be a fan of it as a kid, but I went back and read my old books and… it just fuckin sucks dawg, its not good lol.
Idk your situation but if you support harry potter after all the heinous shit jk has said she has and will do we are not and never will be friends, you are voting with your dollars to hurt people.
I havent paid a single cent to HP franchise in ages. But I still find books cool. Should I disregard quality/fun aspect of something even if creator of that thing is a POS and I havent gave them any money in a very long time?
You can’t easily change what you enjoy, I would take what you like from it and explore other similar properties. If hp is something that has special meaning to you i get it, I would just hope you don’t support the creator.
You can like and enjoy the Harry Potter fictional setting without supporting JK and her TERF bullshit. They are two separate things.
“Voting with your dollar” is a shortsighted reaction. You fail to understand the meaning behind “no ethical consumption under capitalism”. It doesn’t matter where you spend your dollars, it is inevitably supporting bigotry and oppression because of the simple fact that every sale is being profited off of by the owning-class and the e.pirialost system.
Or did you forget that our taxes are currently funding Israel’s genocide?
Again, be mad at the system, not the victims of it.
To be clear i hate the system I’m stuck in, and had i the power to stop the genocide i would, in the meantime I’m telling you she has stated unequivocally that all the money she makes off the harry potter series will be put into her organization that is on a crusade to eliminate trans people. If you give her money by buying merch, watching her show, drawing fanart even, you are giving her attention and that can lead to others saying oh it’s okay to like this thing and that gets her more power money and influence. There is no ethical consumption but this is a hard line I will not intentionally consume something that has a direct line to hurting people, saying it’s impossible to do good is a fucking weak excuse to not try.
Again, you’re missing the point. Just completely and blatantly missing the point.
No one is handing money directly to JK. She is receiving money through a convoluted system of private ownership that enables her to demand royalty payments for the usage of the Harry Potter universe. She is making money off the back of other people just wanting to make their own art and works of this fictional universe.
Through your logic, there is literally not a single thing you can purchase that cannot be directly traced through our system of economics to funding or supporting something atrocious. That is the entire meaning behind “no ethical consumption under capitalism”. You literally cannot escape it unless you abstain entirely from utilizing the capitalist system.
Yet I’m sure you still purchase things. Because you choose for yourself which things to justify and which things not to based on your own arbitrary standards you set for yourself.
Let other people do the same for themselves and quit shaming them because their arbitrary line doesn’t fall where yours does.
Be mad at the system that enables bigots to consolidate power and profit off of other people and the things they enjoy.
So instead of telling people they shouldn’t directly give money to bigots i should just be angry at capitalism in general because it enables bigots.
No.
There is a new show because people asked for it, it’s gonna make her money because there will be new merch, subscription money, and renewed interest in the books from new people exposed to the show.
It isn’t a magic money machine it’s the market and people saying let people enjoy things are enabling others to think that this new batch of terf powered hog wash is acceptable and it will make the lives of an already marginalized group harder.
Yes. I’m saying to have a bit of class consciousness and understanding of systemic forces instead of pointlessly shaming people for inconsequential things so you can feel morally superior. Can’t believe it’s that controversial.
Thanks for being the voice of reason.
Wish more people could see things this way because I really hate when people start whining about my blood diamonds collection.
I just like shinny shit, let me enjoy it ffs.
No matter what you purchase under capitalism, you are supporting bigotry and oppression to some degree. There is no escaping it. So instead of arguing about the arbitrary line at which the degree of separation is far enough removed before you can enjoy something without guilt, maybe start talking about actually dismantling the system that allows them to oppress others to begin with?
Although, both are unnessential and both enrich awful ppl so…
Also, according to the logic on the meme you shared, its wrong to critizise ppl who buy diamonds because we should let them enjoy them.
Also also, critizising someone for economically supporting awfull ppl by buying their shit is not stopping them from enjoying said shit. Nobody is taking away their stuff, they can ignore us. However asking ppl to stay silent in the name of someones enjoyment is an attempt to make us give away our freedom to express our opinion.
Also, also also, What if I like critizising them? Let me enjoy it goddamn it!
Yeah, let JK Rowling do the entertaining, it was kind of her job.
In February 2023, Rowling participated in the podcast The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling, hosted by former Westboro Baptist Church member Megan Phelps-Roper and produced by Bari Weiss’s The Free Press. The show purported to add more nuance to the controversy surrounding Rowling, but in practice it mostly served as another pulpit for the author. Part of the draw was that Rowling gave a forthright interview on her beliefs about trans people for the first time. “I believe, absolutely, that there is something dangerous about this movement and that it must be challenged,” she said.
She then compared trans people to Death Eaters, the evil collective in the Harry Potter books that are often read as a Nazi analogue. “Some of you have not understood the books. The Death Eaters claimed, ‘We have been made to live in secret, and now is our time, and any who stand in our way must be destroyed. If you disagree with us, you must die,’” Rowling said. “They demonized and dehumanized those who were not like them.”
“I am fighting what I see as a powerful, insidious, misogynistic movement that has gained huge purchase in very influential areas of society,” Rowling continued. “I do not see this particular movement as either benign or powerless, so I’m afraid I stand with the women who are fighting to be heard against threats of loss of livelihood and threats to their safety.”
Shitting on people for enjoying something isn’t good praxis, folks. Be mad at the system, not the victims of it.
There being no ethical consumption under capitalism doesn’t absolve you from trying.
You can steal all media Harry Potter, not finance insane bigotry and save money, too!
“No ethical consumption under capitalism” is true, but there’s degrees to that truth and you can still make choices.
Pirating is still consumption. I never made an argument against it. And there are plenty of perspectives (none that I personally agree with) that will argue that pirating media is unethical. Also, not everyone can pirate things, not everyone is that tech savvy to not get caught, and denying themselves simple comforts does nothing to stop the system from being what it is. Also, not everything can be pirated in the case of physical objects for people who want to indulge in a fandom.
No matter what you purchase under capitalism, you are supporting bigotry and oppression to some degree. There is no escaping it. So instead of arguing about the arbitrary line at which the degree of separation is far enough removed before you can enjoy something without guilt, maybe start talking about actually dismantling the system that allows them to oppress others to begin with?
Theres also a massive distinction between consuming something necessary/important, vs consuming something 100% optional.
Harry Potter isnt food, shelter, or any other kind of critical necessity.
Theres literally countless better alternatives to Harry Potter media you can choose to consume from that doesnt directly put money straight into the pocket of someone actively funding direct harm
This isn’t multiple layers of washing here, that money basically goes straight towards actively harming minority groups.
Its not even a good fucking book, and I used to be a fan of it as a kid, but I went back and read my old books and… it just fuckin sucks dawg, its not good lol.
Go pick like, any other fandom at least.
Idk your situation but if you support harry potter after all the heinous shit jk has said she has and will do we are not and never will be friends, you are voting with your dollars to hurt people.
I havent paid a single cent to HP franchise in ages. But I still find books cool. Should I disregard quality/fun aspect of something even if creator of that thing is a POS and I havent gave them any money in a very long time?
You can’t easily change what you enjoy, I would take what you like from it and explore other similar properties. If hp is something that has special meaning to you i get it, I would just hope you don’t support the creator.
You can like and enjoy the Harry Potter fictional setting without supporting JK and her TERF bullshit. They are two separate things.
“Voting with your dollar” is a shortsighted reaction. You fail to understand the meaning behind “no ethical consumption under capitalism”. It doesn’t matter where you spend your dollars, it is inevitably supporting bigotry and oppression because of the simple fact that every sale is being profited off of by the owning-class and the e.pirialost system.
Or did you forget that our taxes are currently funding Israel’s genocide?
Again, be mad at the system, not the victims of it.
To be clear i hate the system I’m stuck in, and had i the power to stop the genocide i would, in the meantime I’m telling you she has stated unequivocally that all the money she makes off the harry potter series will be put into her organization that is on a crusade to eliminate trans people. If you give her money by buying merch, watching her show, drawing fanart even, you are giving her attention and that can lead to others saying oh it’s okay to like this thing and that gets her more power money and influence. There is no ethical consumption but this is a hard line I will not intentionally consume something that has a direct line to hurting people, saying it’s impossible to do good is a fucking weak excuse to not try.
Again, you’re missing the point. Just completely and blatantly missing the point.
No one is handing money directly to JK. She is receiving money through a convoluted system of private ownership that enables her to demand royalty payments for the usage of the Harry Potter universe. She is making money off the back of other people just wanting to make their own art and works of this fictional universe.
Through your logic, there is literally not a single thing you can purchase that cannot be directly traced through our system of economics to funding or supporting something atrocious. That is the entire meaning behind “no ethical consumption under capitalism”. You literally cannot escape it unless you abstain entirely from utilizing the capitalist system.
Yet I’m sure you still purchase things. Because you choose for yourself which things to justify and which things not to based on your own arbitrary standards you set for yourself.
Let other people do the same for themselves and quit shaming them because their arbitrary line doesn’t fall where yours does.
Be mad at the system that enables bigots to consolidate power and profit off of other people and the things they enjoy.
So instead of telling people they shouldn’t directly give money to bigots i should just be angry at capitalism in general because it enables bigots.
No.
There is a new show because people asked for it, it’s gonna make her money because there will be new merch, subscription money, and renewed interest in the books from new people exposed to the show.
It isn’t a magic money machine it’s the market and people saying let people enjoy things are enabling others to think that this new batch of terf powered hog wash is acceptable and it will make the lives of an already marginalized group harder.
Can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink.
Continue to be mad at victims of the system. That’ll surely show 'em.
You’re telling me to be mad at the system I’m stuck in rather than ask people to not financially support hate speech.
If circlejerking in hufflepuff, magical creature slavery and using magic to disappear your poop is that important to you I can’t help.
You are so convinced you are correct that it genuinely makes me wonder why you posted an opinion.
Yes. I’m saying to have a bit of class consciousness and understanding of systemic forces instead of pointlessly shaming people for inconsequential things so you can feel morally superior. Can’t believe it’s that controversial.
Whataboutism
Thanks for being the voice of reason. Wish more people could see things this way because I really hate when people start whining about my blood diamonds collection. I just like shinny shit, let me enjoy it ffs.
How utterly disingenuous to compare a fucking childrens book series to blood diamonds.
https://slrpnk.net/comment/21718703
I’m a little confused why you suddenly want to start drawing lines about what’s ethical.
I know :)
Although, both are unnessential and both enrich awful ppl so…
Also, according to the logic on the meme you shared, its wrong to critizise ppl who buy diamonds because we should let them enjoy them.
Also also, critizising someone for economically supporting awfull ppl by buying their shit is not stopping them from enjoying said shit. Nobody is taking away their stuff, they can ignore us. However asking ppl to stay silent in the name of someones enjoyment is an attempt to make us give away our freedom to express our opinion.
Also, also also, What if I like critizising them? Let me enjoy it goddamn it!
Apples to oranges buddy but you clearly aren’t here in good faith, so, get fucked. I’ll not entertain you.
Yeah, let JK Rowling do the entertaining, it was kind of her job.
https://www.thecut.com/2025/06/heres-what-j-k-rowling-has-really-said-about-trans-people.html
We can all laugh at the pure fiction she invents, and quietly ignore how the money we give her affects the world around us.