People who did well usually put their grade point average (GPA) on their resume. I was a hiring manager for some decades, and I didn’t tend to hire people who had less than a 3.2 from a decent school. Generally when people didn’t put their GPA it meant they didn’t get 2.5 or better.
But I was hiring for a specialty, and for a lot of jobs they really just want you to have the degree.
Yeah I would assume it’s definitely role-dependent right? Like speciality roles, higher paying roles I understand there’s always going to be a bit of prestige around that stuff but I guess I am more of an average Joe (Jane? Is that a saying, average Jane lol) 😅
See, I reckon we’ve become more degree focused here over the years which I don’t actually think is a good thing. My dad came from England (to Australia) with not even finishing high school and managed to climb up the corporate ladder without ever having to go to university. He was very good at his job, headhunted regularly and retired 5 years ago and still gets offers on contracts because he’s obviously held in high regard.
I think it’s a mistake to automatically require a degree for jobs. Not a dig at you personally, I understand that’s how the system has probably worked there for a long time and as I said it’s come in here too. I just don’t agree with that everyone needs a degree to do certain jobs. Some people do seem to have a natural infinity towards certain things and can excel without the study so I think it’s a flawed model to push everyone to the same requirements.
Yeah, it’s interesting. I was hiring embedded software engineers for space-based, human rated applications. The company was hardcore engineering, with software being a tiny piece of the engineering staff. They wanted engineering degrees from good schools as a kind of risk reduction: it didn’t guarantee people were good, but it ensured that they had mastered the subject matter from an academic point of view.
But I was there 40 years, from the mid 1980s, and computer science had only more recently been a degree offered by universities for a little while at that time. Most of my peers when I started learned to code as part of other degrees or non-degreed interests. A number of math and physics majors, but a couple excellent employees who learned to code as part of music/recording. A degree wasn’t a requirement for software people before my time.
So I had mixed emotions about it. Certainly a person could be an excellent developer by having learned on the job, but we were only rarely short of applicants with good GPAs from good schools. Oh, and we mostly promoted engineering leadership from the engineering staff, so your dad’s situation wouldn’t apply.
As an aside, my dad also came here (US) from England with only a high school education, though at least at the time, English high schools were more like US junior colleges.
People who did well usually put their grade point average (GPA) on their resume. I was a hiring manager for some decades, and I didn’t tend to hire people who had less than a 3.2 from a decent school. Generally when people didn’t put their GPA it meant they didn’t get 2.5 or better.
But I was hiring for a specialty, and for a lot of jobs they really just want you to have the degree.
Yeah I would assume it’s definitely role-dependent right? Like speciality roles, higher paying roles I understand there’s always going to be a bit of prestige around that stuff but I guess I am more of an average Joe (Jane? Is that a saying, average Jane lol) 😅
See, I reckon we’ve become more degree focused here over the years which I don’t actually think is a good thing. My dad came from England (to Australia) with not even finishing high school and managed to climb up the corporate ladder without ever having to go to university. He was very good at his job, headhunted regularly and retired 5 years ago and still gets offers on contracts because he’s obviously held in high regard.
I think it’s a mistake to automatically require a degree for jobs. Not a dig at you personally, I understand that’s how the system has probably worked there for a long time and as I said it’s come in here too. I just don’t agree with that everyone needs a degree to do certain jobs. Some people do seem to have a natural infinity towards certain things and can excel without the study so I think it’s a flawed model to push everyone to the same requirements.
Yeah, it’s interesting. I was hiring embedded software engineers for space-based, human rated applications. The company was hardcore engineering, with software being a tiny piece of the engineering staff. They wanted engineering degrees from good schools as a kind of risk reduction: it didn’t guarantee people were good, but it ensured that they had mastered the subject matter from an academic point of view.
But I was there 40 years, from the mid 1980s, and computer science had only more recently been a degree offered by universities for a little while at that time. Most of my peers when I started learned to code as part of other degrees or non-degreed interests. A number of math and physics majors, but a couple excellent employees who learned to code as part of music/recording. A degree wasn’t a requirement for software people before my time.
So I had mixed emotions about it. Certainly a person could be an excellent developer by having learned on the job, but we were only rarely short of applicants with good GPAs from good schools. Oh, and we mostly promoted engineering leadership from the engineering staff, so your dad’s situation wouldn’t apply.
As an aside, my dad also came here (US) from England with only a high school education, though at least at the time, English high schools were more like US junior colleges.