The only justification for not doing this is protectionism. Starmer is placing party above country. We can see how damaging the Tories are. I do not want to see their likes again.

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    I support PR, but I remember telling people on the left about how PR would have meant UKIP getting a bunch of seats in 2015.

    Suddenly, they weren’t so keen on it.

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      Getting UKIP into parliament would have been great! First, the numpties who votes for them would feel represented. That is a good thing. Second, we could have ignored them instead of the tories feeling threatened by them to a point of swinging towards Brexit. Thirdly, their lack of platform (other than “EU bad”) would have been made public.

      This is how extreme, fringe parties die - sunlight is the best disinfectant.

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        Well, quite.

        Remember when Nick Griffin of the BNP went on Question Time? Obviously more extreme than UKIP, but after he got completely trounced, the BNP ceased to be a political force.

        You don’t defeat ideas by banning or “cancelling” or whatever. You do it by arguing the other side and highlighting the inadequacies of your opponent’s ideas. Trying to silence them gives them more credence.

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      9 months ago

      Instead we got the Tories. FPTP has allowed a fascist government in. There is no getting away from that.