• SunshineJogger@feddit.org
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    9 hours ago

    You do realize that the problem is that people need money? Yea, many would likely have a choice where to work but many might Not have had options.

    What is needed is financial basic freedom for everyone. Countries need to sit down and figure out how to make it work because as it stands, jobs have turned into a form of slavery by design.

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      Countries need to sit down and figure out how to make it work because as it stands, jobs have turned into a form of slavery by design.

      Yeah, they already did that, and “slavery by design” is what they came up with.

      The next time, we don’t consult our country, we force them to do what WE want.

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      Dunno man, there is nothing they do at Meta that is in anyway considered “good”, or is there?

      I mean, looking at the recent posts about ICE hiring with bonus, you’d think taking that offer is also fine when you need money?

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        3 hours ago

        I really hope you can see the difference between a tech company hire and dudes on the streets playing SS

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          There’s no difference when the tech company is used to push propaganda supporting the SS and the workers don’t stand up to it. They are complicit and therefore responsible.

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      5 hours ago

      That’s bullshit. Almost all meta hires are poached, and they’re not coming for you if you’re not in a position to make good money.

      The vast majority of these people chose to leave an already cushy job to get in there.

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        I mean if I worked for a soul sucking corporation (pick one Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc.) and another shitty corporation (Meta) offered me a substantial pay raise why wouldn’t I take it?

        Isn’t that the issue? We’ve created a system where you need money to live, and basically if you buy food and have a place to live you contribute to a system of exploitation.

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          I mean if I worked for a soul sucking corporation (pick one Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc.) and another shitty corporation (Meta) offered me a substantial pay raise why wouldn’t I take it?

          But that’s not the real scenario. Monstruous companies aren’t the only jobs around. There’s a bajillion smaller and more ethical companies that hire the same kind of profiles as Meta.

          Also the mega-corporations tend to not poach small fish from each other. Sure they’ll go after each other’s top performers but there’s a tacit agreement that “normal workers” are not fair game.

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            2 hours ago

            Clearly you have not been looking for a job lately. I’ve known people with experience and degrees that have been searching for like 6 months. It’s bad out there, especially for the tech industry.

            Idk why you want to fight the worker and not the corporations

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              1 hour ago

              I’ve known people with experience and degrees that have been searching for like 6 months

              If that is the case then Meta probably won’t touch their resume with a 10-ft pole.

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                Right so now you’ve taken 2 steps back. It’s not more moral to work for any other corporation that meta is poaching either.

                Is it more moral to work for Amazon? Microsoft? Walmart?

                Not really. The worker should try to improve their material condition since that’s the position we’ve all been put in.

                You suggest everyone go work for a “small buisness” when those jobs simply don’t exist.

                I don’t know why you are trying to shame the worker for trying to survive in the system.

                Fun fact btw Walmart and Amazon are the 2 largest employers in the US. I suppose all their workers should quit and go work for Bob’s Bait & Tackle down the road. I’m sure he has about 3 million jobs just lying around

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                  Are you under the impression that only Amazon, Microsoft & Walmart are hiring ? Did every software company suddenly vanish while i was napping ? Sorry but there are a million companies hiring the same kind of profiles as Meta, which are not evil monopolistic mega-corporations.

                  Also what’s Walmart got to do with this ? You think greeters and cashiers are hired from the same pool as Meta product owners ?

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                    26 minutes ago

                    Right so now if we once again go back 2 comments you can remember my comment on the poor state of the current job market.

                    Also what’s Walmart got to do with this ? You think greeters and cashiers are hired from the same pool as Meta product owners ?

                    See you missed the point there. Walmart has and continues to do irreprepable harm to the economy, workers, and the planet. By the logic you proposed the workers are responsible for that. Just like the workers for meta are responsible.

                    Honestly it doesn’t matter if you make 300k a year at Meta or $12 an hour at Walmart. At the end of the day when compared to the billionaires exploiting the labor of both the difference between these workers is about a billion dollars

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        3 hours ago

        You do know that meta doesn’t only have high level jobs, right? There cannot just be middle managers everywhere without the bog standard workers.

        What kind of perception do you have of tech giants? That all who work there are some kind of imaginary elite?

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          meta doesn’t only have high level jobs

          The majority of their hires are experienced profiles. “Bog standard” worker in Meta is already a pretty high paying job as entry level work is massively outsourced.

          all who work there are some kind of imaginary elite?

          That’s not at all what i’m saying. I’m saying if you can land a job at Meta then you can absolutely find a job elsewhere. There is nobody in the world who is stuck between an empty belly and accepting a position at Meta. They’re just stuck between making good money somewhere, and making better money at Meta.

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          Noooo everyone at meta is making at minimum 300,000 a year.

          They poach their janitors

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            I would imagine their janitors don’t actually work for meta, but are provided via a complex web of contracts that helps them pay the janitors as little as possible, while enriching a middle man who does… little…

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              Exactly. Mega corps don’t touch entry level work, they do exactly as you say and pay a friend of theirs so that this friend can steal wages from poor people and guarantee them floor-level prices.