Man Im so tired of all the little labels we’re putting on people and belief. I swear I didnt know leftist vs. liberal were a thing. I thought they were one and the same. Like liberal exists inside the leftist sphere.
But I do think the system overall of profits above all is rotting. I saw a documentary of small impoverished towns residing all over the United States. Elderly and children hungry. Parents living with only one meal per day.
Its wild too that people have to file so much paperwork to even get food assistance. And if the state is too slow to process your paperwork before deadlines because they are understaffed, you just lose your benefits.
Richest country in the world with elites letting land and people to rot in the shadows. It feels nauseating seeing it at this level.
If there is a God, he just needs to smite already. Im tired of this inhumane system.
Liberals and leftists are polar opposite of the political scale. We do not want any of the same things. Liberals want to work within the confines of the exploitive capitalist system. They don’t mind homeless as long as there are shelters provided. They don’t mind poverty as long as their social services like snap available. They don’t mind that there are billionaires exploiting our personal wealth and putting it in their pocket off the backs of our labor as long as they are taxed. Leftists socialists and Communists do not want any of that
Donald is merely the next logical step in the rot of America. He’s not doing anything that previous presidents haven’t done. He’s just not making excuses or trying to generate PR cover for it. The only innovation here is presentation and carelessness.
That people think any of this is new demonstrates just how little people know of their own history in this country.
Joe Biden and his predecessors enthusiastically supported genocide in Gaza by guaranteeing the regular delivery of WMD’s. Obama dropped 20,000 tons of bombs just in the last year of his presidency, and was making war in 7 countries simultaneously. (Probably more, 7 is just the number we can confirm.) Bush legalized torture, warrantless wiretapping and tracking (specifically targeting religious minorities), ushered in the era of daily school shootings, and normalized bailouts for his golf buddies on Wall Street. Clinton hollowed out the poor and middle class with his trade policies, cut the social safety net wholesale, made it legal to discriminate against gays, and was fucking interns on the Resolute Desk. Reagan did pretty much any evil thing you can imagine, whether arms dealing with America’s enemies or letting AIDS ravage a whole generation of young men for Jesus.
Guys, we elect motherfuckers. It’s what we do. The problem here is that every successive president has made things worse and consolidated more and more power in the Executive Branch, to the detriment of all but the 1%, and they basically never roll back the negative policies of their predecessors, instead doubling-down on them or ignoring and allowing them to be normalized.
Twice we almost had real change, with Sanders and Perot, but we were too stupid to vote for it (in Perot’s case) and the Dems rigged the primaries (in Sanders’ case) and now it’s institutionally impossible to get anyone with any intention of changing things fundamentally into the Oval Office.
He’s not doing anything that previous presidents haven’t done.
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They said HE’S NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS HAVEN’T DONE
I don’t think you are giving Gore enough credit. Had that election not been stolen we would be in a vastly different spot I think.
I vehemently disagree.
Gore was just as beholden to the Epstein Class as Clinton, Bush, or Reagan. He would have been a disaster too.
Fascism is capitalism in decay. The neoliberals in the democratic establishment and their presidential failures share at least 50% of the blame. But it’s the same all over the west, Europe is not that far behind.
Elect him once, shame on him. elect him twice, shame on them.
Really elect him once shame on them, that was some dumb shit.
But could you imagine if we had a woman in charge? It would have been the end of the world, just like when the black man was in charge /s.
Yeah - but it’s ok to be fooled once. Nobody’s perfect.
It was incredibly obvious in 2015 that trump was a complete piece of shit who would make a completely awful president.
And someone that’s followed Trump since the '80s, I have seen since the '80s what a piece of shit he is.
He has always been such a blatant dirt bag, I was delighted when he announced his candidacy, I thought he would finally get his comeuppance.
I must remember, it’s always worse than I think
I think even then everyone should get a second chance. Its human to fail
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They did get a second chance. The same people voted for him again.
Trump could only be successful as he is and safe with a country like the USA existing. Allowing generational wealth, backroom dealings, stiffing contractors, and just being a menace to society at large. This is before you consider all the truly heinous stuff.
It’s exactly what Bernie the Rat tries to do when covering for the genocider state.
Invariably he talks about ‘the Netanyahu government’, when that goes away they will be the perfect democracy again.Why not both?
I’m up for both. But from the way I see folks talk about other candidates, it is clear that a lot of people think doing only one of these is enough. The moment you have even a smidge of criticism about other candidates (usually criticism which is aimed precisely at the fact that the candidate seems to have no interest whatsoever in changing America), you’re met with “OH SO YOU LIKE TRUMP[1], HUH?”.
[1] you can replace him with dr Oz, Collins, mcCain, Romney, and so on and so forth
Swapping out the shade of fascism that sits in the halls of government accomplish nothing
Viva la revolución ✊🏼🇦🇱
So they’re both wrong?
Hot take alert
Wow that’s stupid. Harm reduction is thing, and two problems can exist at the same time.
Harm reduction is not a thing. Harm reduction is bullshit that liberals tell themselves because they know that what they support is evil. What they support is harm.
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She and her party may not have sent troops into the city but they built up and funded ICE which allowed trump to do so. Democrats always build the foundations for Republicans to commit behind against the working class. We have 69 cop cities across the US with cops being trained by ID Fucking F because of Biden and Co. Harris wanted the world most lethal military and was hawkish on bombing Iran.
Liberal “lesser of two evils” & “harm reduction” relies on constantly fearing a hypothetical “worse” future so you won’t spend time thinking about the already terrible present. Keeping you always asking for the potential of something better later instead of demanding better NOW
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If your vote for a Democrat enables people like Trump you’ve reduced nothing. Not having the balls to refuse any harm accelerates harm.
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The entire point of harm reduction is to REDUCE HARM.
Reduce harm for whom? Harris wouldn’t have bombed Iran, but she’d have continued the economic war that was slowly destroying Iran and condemning its people to a slow death. Instead we got Trump, who stuck his dick in the beehive and has ruined the US’s chances at ever controlling West Asia ever again. Under Harris the US empire would have kept limping along, but Trump has ensured its collapse in the region. Then, without US support, Israel will collapse. The Axis is going to win and it’s all Trump’s fault.
And this is just the beginning. I expect the economy to collapse once the strategic oil reserve runs out, and then things get really interesting. Then we aren’t just looking at the end of the US empire in West Asia, we’re looking at the end of the US as a country.
That means Trump was the lesser evil. Bad news for us living in the US, but who cares? I deserve to die anyway.
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Harm reduction is doing your best to avoid the spillover that will inevitably occur when you take violent action against the root of the problem. The people who vote for and support this are still human regardless of how inhuman they behave. They still have families that may or may not be as irredeemable as they are. Some of the them have children. If we wipe them out en masse, family and all, what does that say about us?
But what needs done needs done and it’s the individuals that do that will have to live with the choices they make. Future generations will have to weigh whether our acts were noble and just or morally compromised and leaning towards revenge. Personally, I’m fine with revenge clearing the board, the better of us can figure out what to do with a clean slate and a clean conscience.
Man, the whole thing of “_____ actually IS [country]” is a dumb trope that’s getting old really fucking fast. Like, is that what’s happening now? Everyone is gonna just keep reasoning like toddlers?
Everyone is gonna just keep reasoning like toddlers?
Would you like to try to give an argument, or are you fine just throwing your little tantrum?
So… your hot take is “this is toddler reasoning”?
It’s symbolic, friend, not literal. We all know that he’s not actually America.
It was what happened, it is what’s happening now, and it will continue to happen for your lifetime (at least). Gird your loins.
Don’t act like a toddler. You won’t get treated like one
This analogy is so simplistic it’s garbage. Written by someone who doesn’t understand the complexity of liberal Americans
There is no complexity, liberals enable fascism. It’s very simple
American Liberals are what JFK described.
You can make up your own opinion but unless you’re an American Liberal, your just projecting. This is what American Liberals are:
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label “Liberal?” If by “Liberal” they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer’s dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of “Liberal.” But if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
But first, I would like to say what I understand the word “Liberal” to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a “Liberal,” and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.
In short, having set forth my view — I hope for all time — two nights ago in Houston, on the proper relationship between church and state, I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:
I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.
I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.
Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world’s history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.
Tonight we salute Governor and Senator Herbert Lehman as a symbol of that spirit, and as a reminder that the fight for full constitutional rights for all Americans is a fight that must be carried on in 1961.
Many of these same immigrant families produced the pioneers and builders of the American labor movement. They are the men who sweated in our shops, who struggled to create a union, and who were driven by longing for education for their children and for the children’s development. They went to night schools; they built their own future, their union’s future, and their country’s future, brick by brick, block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, and now in their children’s time, suburb by suburb.
Tonight we salute George Meany as a symbol of that struggle and as a reminder that the fight to eliminate poverty and human exploitation is a fight that goes on in our day. But in 1960 the cause of liberalism cannot content itself with carrying on the fight for human justice and economic liberalism here at home. For here and around the world the fear of war hangs over us every morning and every night. It lies, expressed or silent, in the minds of every American. We cannot banish it by repeating that we are economically first or that we are militarily first, for saying so doesn’t make it so. More will be needed than goodwill missions or talking back to Soviet politicians or increasing the tempo of the arms race. More will be needed than good intentions, for we know where that paving leads.
In Winston Churchill’s words, “We cannot escape our dangers by recoiling from them. We dare not pretend such dangers do not exist.”
And tonight we salute Adlai Stevenson as an eloquent spokesman for the effort to achieve an intelligent foreign policy. Our opponents would like the people to believe that in a time of danger it would be hazardous to change the administration that has brought us to this time of danger. I think it would be hazardous not to change. I think it would be hazardous to continue four more years of stagnation and indifference here at home and abroad, of starving the underpinnings of our national power, including not only our defense but our image abroad as a friend.
This is an important election — in many ways as important as any this century — and I think that the Democratic Party and the Liberal Party here in New York, and those who believe in progress all over the United States, should be associated with us in this great effort. The reason that Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson had influence abroad, and the United States in their time had it, was because they moved this country here at home, because they stood for something here in the United States, for expanding the benefits of our society to our own people, and the people around the world looked to us as a symbol of hope.
I think it is our task to re-create the same atmosphere in our own time. Our national elections have often proved to be the turning point in the course of our country. I am proposing that 1960 be another turning point in the history of the great Republic.
Some pundits are saying it’s 1928 all over again. I say it’s 1932 all over again. I say this is the great opportunity that we will have in our time to move our people and this country and the people of the free world beyond the new frontiers of the 1960s.
a faith in man’s ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.
And then he went right ahead and continued fucking with Cuba. Lol. Doesn’t care about freedom or human dignity to determine their own fate. Just cares about the profits the companies lost when Cuba decided it wanted it’s country back for it’s own people after the colonizer era. All talk. Full of shit when it comes to actually treating other humans with respect.
“You can do it your own way. If it’s done just how I say”
Ain’t nobody got time to read all that, and that’s another reason liberals suck; all talk, no action
that’s another reason liberals suck; all talk, no action
You just described every Democratic presidency since LBJ. The disconnect between talk and action is massively frustrating as a leftist watching liberals enable the fascists in this country, because as Obama demonstrated, even when we hand Democrats power they still make excuses as to why they can’t change anything. (Which is really just an affirmation that they’re content with adopting their predecessor’s policies, no matter how backward or fascist they may be.)
stay ignorant then, but don’t claim to know what American Liberals believe
I know what they believe in, nothing
They have no opinions other than “we should think about it”, on a loop until everyone forgets it was a topic.
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Well, that’s not true. They believe really hard in capitalism. I’d say it’s the only belief they actually have.
thanks for making you an easy block
ignorance is not a virtue, expecially when you are attacking someones believes
This liberal revisionism is on par with republicans claiming they are the party of lincoln and freeing slaves.
Is that really all you got? This IS America Liberalism. You don’t see a lot of liberals because it’s a hard thing to live up to.
But this speech is absolutely the core of what American Liberals are.
You don’t see a lot of liberals because it’s a hard thing to live up to.
“American liberalism is mostly hypothetical” isn’t the own you think it is.
What makes you think I am trying to “own”? Thanks for the cringe bro. Crawl back behind your tank
because it’s a hard thing to live up to
It’s only a hard thing to live up to if you’re not even trying. Liberals love talking a big game about how supportive they are, how inclusive they are, how determined they are to protect the rights of the marginalized while doing everything they can to keep those groups marginalized. The exact same claims that liberals try to make today about their party or the same claims they tried to make about their party 200 years ago. Your party will always represent capital and its exploitation of the working class
my party? what party? I don’t have a party.
Defend liberals and people have to assume you are one.
It’s a simple explanation for the simplistic american voters.
They still don’t get while they have been stuck in this system for centuries.
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