cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/7992691

There are some straightforward opportunities for short-term safety improvements, but this is only the start of what’s needed to change the dynamic more completely.

This is a draft, so feedback welcome!

  • helenslunch@feddit.nl
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    5 months ago

    Make it easy for admins setting up new instances to start out with an instance blocklist

    This goes against everything the Fediverse stands for.

    If you want to create blocklists and make them available to users, that’s fine. Creating global blocklists will just destroy interoperability. Who is the judge of these blocklists? Is there any appeals process for a community that is wrongfully-added?

    • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
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      5 months ago

      You can immediately see who is an admin and who is not.

      If you have an open instance and someone puts csam on it and reports you, you’re toast. Thats what blocklists are for and they arent new. Mastodon instances already have blocklists which every sane admin uses. They even come in different flavors.

      The way this works is that certain instances „vote“ on blocks by applying blocks to certain instances and if one, multiple or all „trusted“ insrances block an address, it „federates“ through these updated lists.

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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    5 months ago

    As an instance admin, I would be all in favor of some sort of group blocklist I could subscribe and unsubscribe to. Maintained lists of things like csa, loli, or other things would be extremely helpful, and would encourage more people to run their own servers.

    While I get that individuals want free and open and a choice, fact is is that they aren’t the ones running these servers. It’s admins who have to risk things to host for other users - and giving admins an easy safety net out of the gate would really help.

    I’ve imagined something like an API through fediseer that my instance could hook into, then select specific lists that I want to block

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      5 months ago

      Imagining for a second that I had the technical ability to do so. The thought of running a lemmy server and letting random people make accounts sounds scary to me. Especially a “general purpose” one. I would feel responsible for the crappy stuff posted by users. How do people cope with that.

      Also would not be able to conduct the “investigations” required to determine if an instance was csam etc. Because that means you have to go and check it out! we can’t have a system where every admin is basically required to view CSAM. that’s crazy.

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        5 months ago

        Not just “feel responsible”, but under the law us admins are in fact legally responsible. I never thought I’d be a mandatory reporter and have contacts at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children - but here I am.

        People love to say the fediverse should be completely anonymous and open to free speech - but I only a very tiny percentage of them are willing to actually spin up an instance to prove it.

        • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
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          5 months ago

          Thats why I dismiss free speech absolutists on sight. Also why I have a invite only instance. The people on my instance are peeps I know for a long time and trust.