He signed an executive order on Thursday, saying violence had reached “intolerable levels”.
The sanctions will block the individuals from accessing all US property and other assets.
Violence in the West Bank has spiked since Hamas’s 7 October attack on Israel.
Us sanctioning iran: “FUCK EVERY MAN WOMAN GRANDPARENT AND CHILD, OVERTHROW YOUR GOVERNMENT IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT BITCH”
Us sanctioning israel: “using satalites we have pinpointed 4 individuals in the west bank region and will enact targeted sanctions to curb behavior, thank you and god bless”
“The indivuals”. Four. Four guys. That’s all. Of all the Israeli illegal settlers, a whole total of FOUR are getting banned from buying US properties…which I doubt they wanted to, anyway.
A reminder that all Israeli settlements are illegal.
“How dare you do something instead of doing everything!”
Four people is not doing something. Four people is doing the smallest possible amount so that cheerleaders like yourself can say “Hey, they’re trying to do something” to Muslim-Americans in Michigan.
It’s transparent and doesn’t even do that, though.
All of these things are vastly more complicated than it appears on the surface - to say that they shouldn’t do a thing because they should do another thing is not productive, hey lets just do nothing and be mad about it on the internet guys.
And what does anything have to do with Michigan? Are you a real person?
A group of Muslim Democrats from Michigan refused to meet with a Biden campaign representative recently.
Trump’s also pulled ahead in the head to head polling over it.
This is what shooting yourself in the face to protect votes in deep blue states looks like.
Yes, I am a real person. Demographic shifts, which are very well known to every political person, have made Muslim Americans a required component of a democratic win in most of the mid west swing states, but especially Michigan.
The Democratic party is starting to freak out because Biden’s explicit backing of a genocide has dropped his support among Muslim Americans from 60-65% into the single digits.
The Electoral map for a Democratic win without the Midwest Muslim American vote is so unrealistic as to be fantasy.
This is why they are doing this. It’s a throwaway token gesture. And the people it’s supposed to appease know it too.
“Liberals and Jews are conspiring together to commit genocide.”
Wasn’t true when Hitler went around claiming it, and it almost certainly isn’t now.
Go pedal your anti-Semitic ‘Jewish people are all members of Israel and any criticism of a white nationalist apartheid ethnostate is antisemitic’ nonsense elsewhere.
The ICJ ruled that Israel is plausibly committing genocide, and multiple human rights orbs have declared Israel an apartheid country.
But, you know what? We don’t need them. Anyone who knows anything about history or war knows that a country that tries to deal with a problematic population by completely cutting of ftheir access to food, medicine, and potable water is committing genocide.
Keep justifying the indefensible.
Never again meant never again for everybody.
I never said criticizing Israel is antisemitic. I said accusing tbem of genocide is almost certainly anti-semitic, based on tbe fact that it has been every other it eas claimed. If you are going to share the claims of thousands of years worth of antisemites, yoi have to be able to explain how you are different.
You haven’t done that, but i’m willing to give you that opportunity.
But also, i 100% believe you when you say you don’t need the people who actually determine whether something is a genocide to agree with you.
That is literally the first hit from google. I know you won’t read it, but you should.
You should also really watch South Africa’s presentation: https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k11/k11gf661b3
And the courts findings yourself, and get your news from a primary source: https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1u/k1uwq4cxuv
Honestly, if he did nothing it would be a huge improvement. Instead, he’s proactively sponsoring the genocide with his blank-check policy on military backing and endless exports of the latest in mass mutilation technologies into the hands of known killers.
When you’ve outflanked Ronald Reagan to the right, because you cannot conceive of curbing the flow of tanks, bombs, and other killing machines into the country, maybe there’s a legitimate reason you’re being criticized?
I mean, when they can steal homes for free.
Biden makes sure that four illegal colonists cannot go to America and must stay there to colonize Palestine!He has Michigan in the bag now. All those Arabs can see how strong this man is.
thanks for the clarification as my country is banned from clicking on that link and I’m too lazy to shit my pants on another website.
Even if it’s just lip service to get votes from the left, I’m happy to see the narrative manifesting itself in the white house. they obviously know that voters want.
unfortunately by the time any serious policy would be enacted, Palestine will be gone.
What scrambles my brain is he won’t even do the most basic shit. Like okay Gazans are starving because Aid is being blocked. Why aren’t we tying our weapons deliveries to the flow of Aid?
Even if you believe the IDF is the most moral military on the planet (laugh, snort) this is an obvious measure to make sure there isn’t a famine. And the IDF could have pretended they did it willingly if they had done this in December when we knew it was a problem!
But nope. Is there a Biden pee tape? What in the actual hell is going on?
Why aren’t we tying our weapons deliveries to the flow of Aid?
Because the point of the weapons delivers is to kill Gazans, not save them. This isn’t a bug, its a feature. Genocide and permanent depopulation of Arabs in the Gaza strip is the entire purpose of this military operation.
Is there a Biden pee tape? What in the actual hell is going on?
Biden has been an Israel die-hard since the 70s and he’s only grown more intractable with age.
He scratched the back of the Jewish community enough to be able to argue for their vote. Now he’s got to contend with all the people that actually don’t want The US to support Israeli genocide against Palestine. Politicians be politicking.
Just to clarify, until the suspension of funding, the US was giving aid.
Just not to the Palestinian government. It is illegal for a president to give aid directly to a terrorist state.
Lmaololololololol.
UNRWA couldn’t get any aid into Gaza. The IDF has been blocking them. Talking about payments to buy food is useless if the food cannot be delivered.
GTFO here with the third deliberately stupid take I’ve seen you publish today.
We can agree that the Palestininian’s need food absolutely.
But blocking an organization.after that organization was involved in.a terror attack seems a bit obvious doesn’t it?
But let me guess, it’s also Israel’s fault that UNRWA allowed themselves to be infiltrated, isn’t it?
We cut off UNRWA at the mere accusation they had some employees that were involved, not leadership or the organization at large.
But we continue to support Israel through what amounts to hundreds of credible accusations and statements by their leadership showing this is on purpose.
Make that make sense.
Showing what is on purpose?
To clarify, I don’t believe that going to war in response to terrorism is the right answer, but to suggest the side that initiated the war is being genocided because they are losing is really ridiculous.
Right, nothing is happening. There is no Genocide in Ba Sing Se. Just 27,000 dead Hamas. And the IDF is magically making sure food only gets to innocent civilians which is why dastardly Hamas babies are all over the internet being hungry.
Again, sincerely, please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Nobody has said nothing is happening.
How.can we trust your claim of.genocide when you lie of other’s claims?
History repeats itself. War crimes are being committed and other countries try to wait it out with pointless bureaucracy bullshit.
Meanwhile innocent children suffer and die every day.
These fucking morons are going to hillary themselves into another Trump presidency. Fucking embarassing.
You have to admit it is an interesting tactic. First he makes all people who are pro palestine hate him and now he also makes the people who are pro israel hate him as well.
Firstly, positive to see more criticism and friction between Israel and US officials, and that resulting in unilateral action against extreme elements of Israeli society. I recognize that international and domestic politics are hard to balance, and its campaign season.
But holy shit this solves nothing. “It’s a start” certainly, but there shouldn’t even be settlers. Oslo II very clearly, with lines on the map agreed to by both sides, set out that the West Bank and Gaza is Palestinian, for Palestinians.
At what point does the US alliance with Israel cost us more than it’s worth, especially when this unlimited support is directly harmful to other regional allies like Jordan or Egypt?
If the Zionists on here are anything to go by. They don’t recognize Oslo 2 and they just really hope nobody brings it up.
It’s optics, which are important. You can’t demand the US unilaterally solve Middle East peace or nothing matters.
And you (not literally you I just mean people) can’t get mad at “hugging Netanyahu” which also did literally nothing in reality, while dismissing this. They’re both optics. Early after Oct 7th Biden wanted to show compassion for Israel after the attack, now he’s showing that the US is not on the same page as Israeli leadership. Probably part of a top-level pressure campaign, starting small with private critiques, then public critiques, then actually sanctioning some extreme people, maybe next he threatens to withhold aid, we don’t know.
You can still argue the process isn’t going fast enough and you want whatever your proposed solution is, but it’s not ‘nothing’ for the same reasons you mentioned in your first paragraphs.
When the house is burning down you don’t start with the garden hose and wait for the structure to be fully engulfed before allowing the fire department to use just one hose. That’s a fine approach for normal diplomatic problems. But the genocide response playbook is very clear. You need to act swiftly and decisively to protect the victim group. They will be dead by the time normal politics ramps up to the levels required to save them.
Interesting how you used Oslo II and not the failed camp David summit options that Israel tried. Palestine is in an even worse state than it was back then yet still fighting for the same thing.
You also bring this up without any thought of the Abraham accords which is more interesting. Israel might be digging it’s own grave but the US needs them as they are a strategic ally deep in the heart of the OIC block. So people shouldn’t expect the US’s involvement other than support.
Oslo II was signed by the PLO on behalf of the Palestinian people. It’s the most recent document that both sides agreed to, dealing with partition of land. Israel has failed to do what it agreed to and slowly cede back the West Bank entirely - they have done the opposite and taken more land.
Camp David accords was between Israel and Egypt, decided without the Palestinians, and condemned by the UN and rejected as illegitimate by;
- Resolution 33/28
- Resolution 34/70
- Resolution 34/65 B
And yes the rapprochement with the Saudis is a big development towards normalization and stability for Israel, and cements alliances between the region - but Israeli realpolitik is fucking up the juggling act US diplomats are doing.
Sorry I forgot the part where PLO leader Arafat refusing any concessions in camp David was Egypt’s doing. I forgot that the reason the second intifada and Hamas uprising was because of pesky old Egypt not negotiating for them or that the UN called it illegitimate. The part where the entire world was puzzled why Palestinians refused any offers that apparently Egypt was doing, very weird.
Arafat wasn’t a part of the Camp David Accords in 1978, you’re confused with the 2000 Camp David summit.
That 2000 summit fell apart because of a loggerhead over what is fundamental to both sides, and an Israeli negotiation redline hypocrisy - right of return. Arafat may well have been an Arab nationalist who wanted the three no’s forever and wouldn’t sign anything - but then why engage and negotiate at all? Concessions were offered from on both sides but Israel refused to permit those in the diaspora to return to their land, all while funding birthright trips for foreign Jews.
Egypt has a viable country and government, and got the canal back and A SHITLOAD of land Israel had taken. Palestinians were being offered what the US and Canada gave the First Nations after we broke treaty after treaty.
Ah shit you got me i got the words swapped. I meant the summit being the last attempt of a treaty that Arafat didnt even bother trying to negotiate. What i was trying to say was there was an attempt for land swaps and a passage way for peace but the PLO captain shat his pants and decided he wants murder on his hands. Oslo II might have been the last official treaty but there have been attempts to get peace and a 2 state solution since then.
The only reason Egypt even has the Sinai back is because Israel offered it back as a sign of peace after it was captured. Palestinians have nothing to offer. Not even the Egyptians want them back in the Sinai now.
I meant the summit being the last attempt of a treaty that Arafat didnt even bother trying to negotiate.
@febra@lemmy.world has addressed this point very nicely in a post which unfortunately is no longer readable. So allow me to quote it because it shows very well how insulting, I’d say on purpose, the whole proposal of Israel was. They just wanted something so outlandish that it was refused outright so they can later say “See we tried but they don’t want to talk!!!”. The whole tactic is very similar to Austria-Hungary’s ultimatum to Serbia which they specifically worded so Serbia had to refuse it or stop being a sovereign state.
Anyway here’s the post of @febra@lemmy.world. It’s a bit long but definitely worth the read to get a better understanding of this very complex situation:
I am sorry to tell you this, but you definitely ought look deeper into the peace accords as they were discussed at the time. Especially the ones at Camp David which were supposed to be the most fruitious and the ones Palestinians “threw out the door”. The Oslo accords were more of a guideline than a clear set of instructions. They were a very loose set of vague directions both sides were supposed to go down on. Before that there were no other concrete accords. One would argue that the Camp David Summit was the closest both sides ever got to making peace. So let’s take a look at that one and use it as a good compass in this discussion.
Palestinians were supposed to:
- be completely demilitarized
- give Israel the right to send troops to Palestine in case of any emergency (what constitutes as an emergency was never defined)
- ask Israel for approval for every diplomatic alliance Palestine would ever make with other countries
- have Israeli military bases installed in Palestinian territory
- give the Israeli military complete control of their airspace
- have israeli military outposts be installed on the border between Palestine and Jordan for a temporary amount of time
- give Israel temporary control over Palestinian border crossings (without having a specified timeframe)
- give up 10% of the West Bank, the most fertile land in the West Bank, for 1% territorial gains of desert land near the Gaza strip (the land that would be conceded included symbolic and cultural territories such as the Al-Aqsa Mosque, whereas the Israeli land conceded was unspecified)
- Israel would keep parts of the West Bank under temporary occupation, without a timespan being given
- What constitutes the West Bank was to be defined by Israel and not by international law. Israel defined West Bank as being the internationally recognized West Bank minus all the settlements they had at the time.
As you can see, all of these concessions would never amount to a completely sovereign Palestinian state, and as a result of that these talks failed in the end. To me, it looks like they were designed to fail from the get-go. Nonetheless, they did spawn new discussions and as a result of said discussion the Taba negotiations were born. With that being said, these concessions were in no way, shape, or form popular in Israel (only 25% of the Israeli public thought his positions on Camp David were just right as opposed to 58% of the public that thought Ehud Barak compromised too much). The Israeli prime minister at the time, Barak, facing elections, suspended the talks since it greatly affected his popularity in Israel. As a result of trying to broker a peace deal with Palestine, even a very bad one that was meant to fail as it was, he failed to get re-elected. The highly unbalanced concessions were already considered to be too much by Israelis.
Ehud Barak was from the Labour governments you were talking about, and this is the best Israel could ever come up with.
Trying to paint this situation as it being a level field where both sides did the same amount of wrongdoing is not a fair representation of the history of the peace process.
Since the most promising talks ever, the Camp David Summit, Israel has allowed over 750k settlers to move into the West Bank. A military regime has been installed and forced upon the occupied population contrary to international law. If getting the 30k settlers out of Gaza in 2005 was hard enough and almost caused an uproar inside the IDF, getting 750k settlers out of the West Bank will be straight up impossible without a major conflict.
There will never be two states and I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that this was in majority the doing of the Palestinians. We should talk a good look at all these facts when we start discussing this conflict and use them as a compass.
You can read more on that on Wikipedia if you’re interested in all the details. If wikipedia isn’t a good enough source, there is a great book on this subject by a german professor specializing on the conflict between Israel and Palestine.
I absolutely don’t think any of these propositions are outlandish or even remotely insulting. This was a hindsight problem. Given that we are now 20 years into the future, Palestinians would be stupid to not agree to these if it were proposed again. But that won’t happen because of a multitude of reasons.
Again, all I was trying to say was that Oslo II was not the last time there was an attempt at a 2 state solution. Saying “take back to green line” is kind of dumb to me because that’s no longer in scope of a solution.
Thank you for this comprehensive explanation of the situation.
Not even the Egyptians want them back in the Sinai now.
That is an extremely problematic view. It reminds me of the Évian Conference where Hitler was arguing that “no one wants the jews” since the US, UK, and other countries refused to take in german jewish refugees, and thus “the final solution” was spawned. It’s an extremely dehumanising view that ended up in genocide. Please refrain from repeating such opinions.
Besides that, the Palestinians have a long history in Palestine. I don’t understand what you’re hinting at with “wanting them back”. Back where? They already have a home.
You misconstrued what I said. I meant they don’t have anything to offer either Israel nor Egypt. Even if they wanted to negotiate again, they don’t have anything going for them. Don’t twist my words to fit some other topic.
Everyone here should know, this is due to you and the conversations you’ve been having, media you’ve been supporting, and any actions you’ve taken to directly protest, letter write, etc.
Activism works. Being annoying af works. Simply changing the media you consume has an impact. Conservatives get what they want from their elected officials because they demand it. You too can demand things of your elected officials (so long as you can hold them to consequence, ie, the problem with bnmw).
Let’s not forget, this is exactly how we ended segregation in the US and Apartheid in South Africa.
Activism works. Let your voice be heard.
This is also why bad actors fill sites like reddit with bots, to try and control the public narrative.
But bots can’t vote. Bots can’t demonstrate. Bots can’t boycott.
And also kudos to Lemmy and Lemmy mods for keeping this place relatively free from bots.
And also kudos to Lemmy and Lemmy mods for keeping this place relatively free from bots.
I wouldn’t count on that. I’m a dev, and I don’t really know how you reliably do that. You can catch low hanging fruit, but it doesn’t take much to evade.
They did it by keeping lemmy irrelevant. Jk, but really.
This is due to Biden needing to go to Michigan, with its huge arabic population. His campaign people wanted to avoid loud and awkward protests from members of his own party, so they threw a tiny bone that they knew would make a big headline splash.
I hate to be this cynical, but listening to his campaign managers making the rounds on the political insider podcasts… they are overwhelmingly “professional” and entirely inauthentic.
Even if biden himself is earnest, this campaign is shaping up to have all the stage managed authenticity of Hillary’s 2016 run.
I’m worried.
Interesting.
I wasn’t going to vote for him, but now…
Enjoy Trump.
If you did mean this sarcastically, the three dots may not be enough. As sarcasm often can be misunderstood, most people highlight it by adding “/s” to their post.
ur bald… /s
He sanctioned 4 people.
The “…” indicate to me that this is meant sarcastically (I hope)
Now do the same with the Israeli state
Yeah, what good are sanctions if the Israeli government is still giving them US weapons to continue terrorising Palestinians in the West bank?
It’s a warning shot.
Two state solution now, or not vote for you Biden. Make your mark.
When you vote for president, you’re not voting for one man. You’re voting on the supreme court, federal judges, heads of federal agencies, regulatory commission members, and much much more. Just want to remind you to also remember that a presidential vote will impact all that, whether you like the main candidate or not.
So he’ll appoint judges that continue the ridiculousness of corporate personhood; breaking unions; abusing migrants; and protecting genocidal criminals.
Great. So excited.
Citizens United was voted on 5 to 4. All 5 that voted for it were appointed by Reagan or one of the Bushes. The 4 that voted against were from Gerald Ford, Clinton, and Obama.
You’re just making stuff up now.
Oh dude. That’s just the latest thing. Corporate personhood has been held by both sides for about a hundred years now. The only debate is how far it can go. The only thing Citizens United did was make their donations directly to political figures legal. They were already doing political ads and such with first amendment protections.
Liberals or fascists, pick one on one day and do something about them both the other 364 or shut the fuck up.
That’s the thing. You can’t call yourself a liberal while supplying a literal genocide, preventing the free movement of people, or supporting unchecked corporate power.
These were all things that were considered outside even classical liberalism. Much less the alignment of modern liberal vs conservative liberal we’ve had in the US for two hundred years.
This is shaping up to be much more along the lines of Oligarchy vs Fascism. And you know what? They don’t feel that different to the peasants.
By literal genocide I think you mean “cultural genocide” and I think it is fairly immoral and inaccurate to believe that Hamas is a fundamental aspect of the Palestinian culture.
If the IDF hadn’t killed 27,000 civilians and reduced aid imports to a point the UN is ringing the famine alarms then you’d have a point.
Unfortunately you’re just trying to conflate Hamas and all Gazans
Just to be clear, you are accusing Israel specifically of war crimes other than genocide in this last response.
Do you know what genocide is or are you just repeating a word because other people are?
I suppose better than nothing but ‘better than nothing’ is a low fuckin bar for intervention in ongoing genocide. Unless there’s reprecussions on the state of Israel, who condones and empowers settelers, this seems like sanctioning the Houthis while simultaneously arming Iran.
It’s a start.
It has been political suicide in the past to criticize Isreal. They are also an incredibly important strategic ally in the region, both militarily and commerce.
This move shows that the US is potentially willing to move away from unconditional support, which could be devastating to Isreal.
So, while the actual scope of the sanctions themselves is unimpressive, the meaning behind it is significant.
Sure, you’re not wrong, but I’m really really tired of getting ‘it’s a start’ action on issues like this and the irreversible change of the climate. There’s a very real timer ticking on both these issues if nothing changes and based on history I’m really skeptical were getting anything but another ‘its a start’ on some other small facet of this issue, ad nauseam until it’s not an election year.
Skepticism is always healthy, but try not to wade too far into cynicism.
International relations are very complicated, and even if it would be satisfying to have fast and heavy responses, I can also understand the cautious approach in this case. As you say, it’s an election year. It would not do Palestinians much good to have a reactionary response poison the well, just to the Republicans win all levels of government and screw up the region far worse, in addition to abandoning Ukraine.
Millions of them have been displaced. They’re starving and dying every day. Disease is rampant. Tens of thousands are dead. They’re running out of hospitals to use. Genocide isn’t the kind of thing you can do a “wait and see” approach for. I get what you’re saying, but people need to keep pressuring him. I hope no one takes this small victory as an excuse to stop.
Yeah, the benefit of the slow and steady approach is for Americans, not for Palestinians.
We have to remember, those people aren’t our friends. They’re known to chant “Death to America”. They include the kind of terrorists who would commit the October 7th attacks, and most Palestinians support that kind of terrorism.
We want to stop the genocide while keeping Israel as an ally against both terrorism and Iran, who is currently attacking any Western shipping through the Suez Canal.
I think we have a lot more room to do that, absolutely. It’s a bad situation, and we have to understand our role in it. But our role can certainly be less hard-lined than supporting genocide.
those people aren’t our friends. They’re known to chant “Death to America”. They include the kind of terrorists who would commit the October 7th attacks, and most Palestinians support that kind of terrorism.
Why do you think that is?
Does it matter? Should we not care about being attacked because they have a reason?
now boycott and divest
Him: what’s the bare minimum I can do. I don’t like being called Genocide Joe.
Staffers: sanctions!
Him: fuck those four settlers in particular!
Staff: <shakes heads> at least he’s better than Trump?
how do you sanction “settlers” exactly
Holy shit Biden sanctioned 4 PEOPLE let’s go dude. He’s really showing his massive power.
