I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.
Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.
The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.
Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.
That problem exists in all groups of people. There are atheist fundamentalists too. You will see them loudly announcing their beliefs at the same volume as their religious cousins. Don’t tell them that though, it just makes them louder.
Religion is not the problem; a lack of nuance is. Just because you personally have figured out that God exists or doesn’t exist or whatever, that doesn’t mean I want to hear it yelled at me.
You went a bit left field with your comment but I have a few thoughts.
‘Atheist fundamentalist’ is a non-sequitor. Atheists aren’t a coalition or monolith with established beliefs or practices. They’re just people who don’t believe in god or a higher power or spirituality or whatever. They have no unifying dogma or ritual. There’s no cabal of atheists that decided that they know some secret truth, or that you are damned or cursed, or inherently lesser than, or deserve fewer rights because you believe. There are assholes out there, but the lack of organization is the key here.
Comparing loud obnoxious atheists to organized, systemic, and core religious principles and groups is apples and oranges. Not to mention that the lack of belief is not ‘belief’.
All that aside, I have never seen someone on a street corner with a bullhorn ‘preaching’ about non-belief. That’s not to say they don’t exist, I’m positive there are some obnoxious people that do it. But I have seen hundreds of Christians, Jews (certain sects, usually zionists), and people of other faiths on street corners, rest stops, and all other manner of places telling me I’m going to hell if I don’t join the club and conform. You’re presenting these as two equal problems when they’re not.
Sure I don’t want anyone telling me what I should or shouldn’t believe, but there is a preponderance of evidence that you’ll be assaulted by one and not the other. It’s like being more concerned about being attacked by a shark than struck by lightning when you live in South Dakota. Will you ever go to the beach? Probably a few times in your life, but the likelihood of being attacked by a shark is infinitesimal compared to your risk of being struck by lightning. Let’s address the real issues in these conversations and not build straw men to defend the vile.
They do have a dogma. Their dogma is “God’s not real”. A lot of them would love to shove that down their throat and act as if you are a scourge on the earth and are “irrational”
That’s not dogma. Dogma is laid down by a central authority for a group, of which there is none for atheists.
Yea there are some shitheads out there, but they’re the exception not the rule.
Stop trying to make it seem like atheists are some organized monolith of people when they’re not.
Christians aren’t inherently organised either. There are large churches like the Roman Catholic Church and the Anglican communion, but you don’t need to be a part of these to be Christian.
The Bible isn’t a unifying document then?
It is, but Athiesm has unifying beliefs as well. Albeit not structured.
Atheism, by definition, has no beliefs. A lack of belief is not a belief.
That’s agnosticism.