Several well-publicized acts of violence by migrants in New York have unsettled some city leaders, but police statistics do not point toward a surge in crime.
All you have to do is think about this reasonably (I know, I know). Undocumented immigrants to the US want to come here so badly that they’re willing to do it outside of the law. They know full well that if they get caught just for that, they’re in a fuckload of trouble. It is clearly in the immediate, direct, and personal best interest of an undocumented immigrant to stay well clear of law enforcement. This means - wait for it - not breaking any other laws.
Undocumented immigrants have a very strong incentive to be absolutely well-behaved.
That’s not how it works in NYC. The city police don’t cooperate with ICE and even make an effort to protect illegal immigrants who have committed crimes from being deported. Simply talking to the cops while being an illegal immigrant isn’t going to get someone detained.
This is all beside the point because the migrants in question aren’t illegal immigrants who have entered the country secretly - the authorities have permitted them to enter and already know who they are. (The authorities are in fact spending a great deal of money on them.)
This is all beside the point because the migrants in question aren’t illegal immigrants who have entered the country secretly - the authorities have permitted them to enter and already know who they are. (The authorities are in fact spending a great deal of money on them.)
I’m not saying anything about whether that’s bad. I’m just saying that the person I’m responding to is making an argument (illegal immigrants are less likely to commit other crimes since they want to avoid police attention which would get them deported) which is doubly inapplicable to the existence or lack thereof of a “migrant crime wave” in NYC.
316 people are shot in America every day. ~ 340 million people in the U.S.
Claims of 7+ million migrants have come in since 2021. Round up to their benefit and say 8/340 puts us at 2.35% of the populous. So that should mean we should be hearing about more than 7 people shot by migrants daily.
That doesn’t address other forms of crime… But I surely am not hearing of 7 a day
No, because unlike cops there’s no requirement to associate or work with a bad apple. You don’t have to defend them or even tolerate them. You can just walk away. So while they’re in the same category, they are not in the same barrel.
All you have to do is think about this reasonably (I know, I know). Undocumented immigrants to the US want to come here so badly that they’re willing to do it outside of the law. They know full well that if they get caught just for that, they’re in a fuckload of trouble. It is clearly in the immediate, direct, and personal best interest of an undocumented immigrant to stay well clear of law enforcement. This means - wait for it - not breaking any other laws.
Undocumented immigrants have a very strong incentive to be absolutely well-behaved.
It’s even a step further. They also don’t want anyone to break the law against them. Who would they turn to? The police will arrest them.
That’s not how it works in NYC. The city police don’t cooperate with ICE and even make an effort to protect illegal immigrants who have committed crimes from being deported. Simply talking to the cops while being an illegal immigrant isn’t going to get someone detained.
This is all beside the point because the migrants in question aren’t illegal immigrants who have entered the country secretly - the authorities have permitted them to enter and already know who they are. (The authorities are in fact spending a great deal of money on them.)
That’s how it should be though. Everybody is equal under the law, so you shouldn’t punish undocumented immigrants harder than civilians.
I don’t get it. Are you saying that’s bad?
I’m not saying anything about whether that’s bad. I’m just saying that the person I’m responding to is making an argument (illegal immigrants are less likely to commit other crimes since they want to avoid police attention which would get them deported) which is doubly inapplicable to the existence or lack thereof of a “migrant crime wave” in NYC.
A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
And I fully expect there is a higher ratio of “bad apples” among other groups, including “American citizens.”
316 people are shot in America every day. ~ 340 million people in the U.S.
Claims of 7+ million migrants have come in since 2021. Round up to their benefit and say 8/340 puts us at 2.35% of the populous. So that should mean we should be hearing about more than 7 people shot by migrants daily.
That doesn’t address other forms of crime… But I surely am not hearing of 7 a day
Yep, republicans sure have destroyed quite a lot in their bad apple behavior.
No, because unlike cops there’s no requirement to associate or work with a bad apple. You don’t have to defend them or even tolerate them. You can just walk away. So while they’re in the same category, they are not in the same barrel.