• xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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    5 days ago

    Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse. I fully support putting pressure on both candidates to be better, but the American political system means one of these people will be the next president and if you care about Palestinians its important to make sure that’s Biden.

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      5 days ago

      Oh, I absolutely agree they’re both pretty awful, but one is significantly worse.

      We’re talking about genocide tho…

      We’re asking people to support “some” genocide, and that “some” is actually quite a fucking lot of genocide.

      And we’re not just asking Americans to overlook that, we’re asking young Dem voters to overlook it. A demographic who historically doesn’t like that shit going back for pretty much the entire existence of the party.

      It makes absolutely zero sense except if the party as an entity wants to be as conservative as possible so when the nation has such a serious risk as trump, instead of the easy win of a candidate dem.voters want, we get someone significantly more conservative than the party, 82 years old, and uncharismatic.

      It’s like someone at the DNC bet on winning, but not to cover the spread. So they’re trying to win by the smallest majority possible.

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        4 days ago

        Our system of government means one of these two assholes will be the next president. Do you want three helpings of genocide or two? It’s going to be one of those outcomes so do you have the courage to say less genocide is desirable?

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          You’re acting like convincing me means anything…

          Biden needs to convince 10s of millions of people. Politicians like Obama and Bill Clinton could do that, but they were charismatic in addition to being the lesser of two evils.

          It just makes zero sense to be running Biden.

          If all that matters is beating trump, why force a candidate that supports genocide? Why is it ok for Dems if trump is worse? Why not at least someone that people like and is a good speaker?

          Like, you understand someone slightly less bad as trump is still pretty fucking bad?

          Where do you draw the line if you’ll support “some” genocide?

          If it was trump VS Mitch McConnell who would you vote for? Would you finally realize it’s the parties that need voters, not voters that need parties?

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            4 days ago

            Here’s the bad news - the primary is over. Administratively, if we switched Democratic candidates now there would be immense voter confusion and democrats would end up splitting the vote between the two.

            The only way out of this is if Biden literally dies before the election, and I think that’s highly unlikely.

            In terms of supporting genocide, America is going to genocide and part of being a responsible voter is making the least awful choice.

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              4 days ago

              Here’s the bad news - the primary is over

              It’s not tho.

              The convention is the end of the primary.

              Biden appointed Jamie Harrison to the head of the DNC.

              And Jamie Harrison set the convention for mid August.

              If you don’t like it, go complain to them. But they picked when the primary was over.

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                4 days ago

                If someone else wins the convention I’ll pop a bottle of champagne but I think it’s nearly impossible. If you can get Whitehouse on the ballot though… I’ll buy the next round.

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                  4 days ago

                  So…

                  You don’t think it’s possible the DNC or Biden does the right thing to maximize our chances of beating trump?

                  The primary isn’t a real election. The DNC can just nominate someone else, they’ve been very open about it

                  And Biden can obviously just step aside.

                  Do you think they don’t care if trump wins? Or that they’d just rather that happen then a Dem candidate Dem voters want winning?

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                    4 days ago

                    I think it’d lead to vote splitting within the party if not done precisely correctly. We could essentially be looking at a Woodrow Wilson scenario.