Kratom is stimulating but not as much of a harsh stimulation IMO. A close friend of mine has ADHD, and he has repeatedly expressed how grateful he is that I introduced him to kratom. He gets a lot of side effects from Vivance (and the others) that kratom helps smooth out.
I am not sure if I truly have a mild form of ADHD or if I just share some of the symptoms, but I generally find it easier to concentrate when I have some kratom in my system. All of my close friends are neurodivergent, and I suspect there’s a reason why.
Damn Lemmy is wild, we’re just out here casually recommending kratom.
I’m glad it’s working for you, but also we have no long term studies about refined kratom (and yes, it is refined, unless you’re out there eating the diet and chewing the m. speciosa leaf of the indigenous South East Asian tribes this practice originates from). I’ve had several classmates who replaced their Adderall addiction with kratom, and the side effects were nasty as hell, one of them even has permanent liver damage because of it.
Sorry to be a fed, but I recommend anyone who wants to try kratom to really look into dosages and usage time beyond a cursory Google search and what random people (including me) say on social media before committing.
Regular kratom leaf is so mild. Coffee is way more addictive. I’ve quit kratom cold turkey each time I’ve taken a tolerance break and had no issues. I cannot quit caffeine cold turkey.
I’m not recommending gas station kratom extract shots. Dry, ground leaf is what I take. OP asked for something other than caffeine which isn’t exactly healthy in the amounts the meme describes.
Was your roommate using the liquid shots? I feel like you’ve gotten some bad information regarding what kratom is and isn’t. I assume you’ve never tried it. Is that correct?
Was your roommate using the liquid shots? I feel like you’ve gotten some bad information regarding what kratom is and isn’t. I assume you’ve never tried it. Is that correct?
It’s pretty bold of you to assume I have no idea what I’m talking about because I haven’t done kratom, and then implying I’m misinformed when I specifically said that anyone interested should do a deep dive on their own and not off random Lemmy comments.
I hate doing calls to authority, but 1) it was several classmates, not my roommate (?), and 2) I’m a former biochemist who specifically has worked on drug and substance interactions within different genetic populations, and I have seen firsthand the opiate-like withdrawal symptoms that AuDHD study participants have gone through at even lower dosages of kratom due to a variety of factors such as body weight, diet, genetic makeup, alcohol use, and being on the spectrum.
Like I said previously, it’s great that it works for you and your friend, but you cannot blanket guarantee it’ll be the same outcome for everyone else, especially if we’re accounting for the variance than can occur in AuDHD brain structures. This isn’t shit you casually recommend like a brand of multivitamins.
May want to take a deep dive into it. Krstom is a type of opiod and I’ve heard other anecdotes that Kratom addiction can be subtle and the withdrawals are crazy bad.
Ketamine is probably what you’re thinking of. Not as bad, it’s pretty addictive (but so is adderal, go figure). From what I’m aware, if you want concentration you would need pretty small doses of ketamine as it’s mostly a downer. The other thing though is that you can’t do ketamine habitually for a long time because it really fucks up your bladder.
I don’t think addiction should be a problem for me. I’ve opted to lower my stimulent medication dosage so I think that’s a good sign. I’d like to try it at least once.
Low dosage ketamine IV treatment has some promising early results, especially with extreme ADHD symptoms or comorbidity with depression/anxiety, and lasts longer than the current injection methods.
I know it’s pretty inaccessible depending where you live in the world, but if you have any places around you that are doing research trials of this, I would highly recommend signing up. Not only do you get to try the treatment in a controlled environment, you contribute more data to the pool for eventual large scale treatment methods.
Kratom is stimulating but not as much of a harsh stimulation IMO. A close friend of mine has ADHD, and he has repeatedly expressed how grateful he is that I introduced him to kratom. He gets a lot of side effects from Vivance (and the others) that kratom helps smooth out.
I am not sure if I truly have a mild form of ADHD or if I just share some of the symptoms, but I generally find it easier to concentrate when I have some kratom in my system. All of my close friends are neurodivergent, and I suspect there’s a reason why.
Damn Lemmy is wild, we’re just out here casually recommending kratom.
I’m glad it’s working for you, but also we have no long term studies about refined kratom (and yes, it is refined, unless you’re out there eating the diet and chewing the m. speciosa leaf of the indigenous South East Asian tribes this practice originates from). I’ve had several classmates who replaced their Adderall addiction with kratom, and the side effects were nasty as hell, one of them even has permanent liver damage because of it.
Sorry to be a fed, but I recommend anyone who wants to try kratom to really look into dosages and usage time beyond a cursory Google search and what random people (including me) say on social media before committing.
Regular kratom leaf is so mild. Coffee is way more addictive. I’ve quit kratom cold turkey each time I’ve taken a tolerance break and had no issues. I cannot quit caffeine cold turkey.
I’m not recommending gas station kratom extract shots. Dry, ground leaf is what I take. OP asked for something other than caffeine which isn’t exactly healthy in the amounts the meme describes.
Was your roommate using the liquid shots? I feel like you’ve gotten some bad information regarding what kratom is and isn’t. I assume you’ve never tried it. Is that correct?
It’s pretty bold of you to assume I have no idea what I’m talking about because I haven’t done kratom, and then implying I’m misinformed when I specifically said that anyone interested should do a deep dive on their own and not off random Lemmy comments.
I hate doing calls to authority, but 1) it was several classmates, not my roommate (?), and 2) I’m a former biochemist who specifically has worked on drug and substance interactions within different genetic populations, and I have seen firsthand the opiate-like withdrawal symptoms that AuDHD study participants have gone through at even lower dosages of kratom due to a variety of factors such as body weight, diet, genetic makeup, alcohol use, and being on the spectrum.
Like I said previously, it’s great that it works for you and your friend, but you cannot blanket guarantee it’ll be the same outcome for everyone else, especially if we’re accounting for the variance than can occur in AuDHD brain structures. This isn’t shit you casually recommend like a brand of multivitamins.
Huh, I may need to look into this.
Maca root is another option. Some vitamin B-12 works for me, but then I have vitamin deficiencies.
I love my caffeine, but after noon it’s usually a mistake for me to drink anything stronger than a green tea.
Kratom has definitely been the best of the lot though.
May want to take a deep dive into it. Krstom is a type of opiod and I’ve heard other anecdotes that Kratom addiction can be subtle and the withdrawals are crazy bad.
That’s all I needed to hear to avoid it. Thanks. Maybe it was ketamine I looked up before.
Ketamine is probably what you’re thinking of. Not as bad, it’s pretty addictive (but so is adderal, go figure). From what I’m aware, if you want concentration you would need pretty small doses of ketamine as it’s mostly a downer. The other thing though is that you can’t do ketamine habitually for a long time because it really fucks up your bladder.
I don’t think addiction should be a problem for me. I’ve opted to lower my stimulent medication dosage so I think that’s a good sign. I’d like to try it at least once.
Low dosage ketamine IV treatment has some promising early results, especially with extreme ADHD symptoms or comorbidity with depression/anxiety, and lasts longer than the current injection methods.
I know it’s pretty inaccessible depending where you live in the world, but if you have any places around you that are doing research trials of this, I would highly recommend signing up. Not only do you get to try the treatment in a controlled environment, you contribute more data to the pool for eventual large scale treatment methods.
Just checked an my city has a clinic! No idea how to get in or what their focus is but that gives me something to research. Thanks.
Edit: and I’m priced out. Oh well. Maybe in the future it will lower or will be covered.