• nifty@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    70
    arrow-down
    23
    ·
    3 months ago

    It’s not just Jill Stein, it’s a lot of people you see talking about Gaza as some blood curdling atrocity, but they don’t have the same level of empathy or consideration for Ukrainians. The anti-Israel propaganda is just being used to drive the Muslim and progressive vote away from Dems. I think it’s turning out to be successful.

    • Deceptichum@quokk.au
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      40
      arrow-down
      29
      ·
      3 months ago

      And other lies you tell yourself.

      I’ve never met a Palestinian supporter that isn’t also a Ukrainian supporter.

        • MrBobDobalina@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          3 months ago

          I signed up to Lemmy without knowing much about instances, can’t remember exactly why I picked lemmy.ml but it wasn’t politics.

          Is this really a generalisation people have? Should I move…?

          • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            28
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            3 months ago

            your admins also run lemmygrad. only you can decide if you should leave. personally, i like beehaw, slrpnk, dbzero, and blahaj. one important aspect to understand about the fediverse is that your instance is part of the identity you present to others

            • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              8
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              3 months ago

              It has nothing to do with your identity. They all have different rules and different communities. Its more like which hotel chain you prefer to stay at. Its a preference for sure, but one that doesnt matter much.

              People who judge based on instance are only outing themselves anyways. Churlish.

              • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                8
                ·
                3 months ago

                it does say something though about what style of moderation you prefer and who you associate yourself with. that’s why it’s literally part of the identity you present. it’s embedded in your username. it’s like your fediverse last name.

                • WhyFlip@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  3 months ago

                  I’ve been on Lemmy for a year and only now I’m learning about instances. I’ve read a few threads about lemmy.ml being “tankies” and that hexbear is the worst, but haven’t had any negative interactions with either. Shit, I don’t know the majority of the time which instance I’m interacting with.

                • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  3 months ago

                  Sort of, at best it means that instance hasnt banned that person, yet.

                  You could argue it means something more than nothing, I’d argue its not enough to matter.

                  • Soggy@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    3 months ago

                    People really want to be allowed to be bigots and currently Communism is “safe” to hate, so they let a few interactions color their opinion of an entire, loosely-affiliated group.

              • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                11
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                3 months ago

                Probably best to use a smaller instance instead of .world. The less centralized Lemmy is, the better.

                • acid_falcon@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 months ago

                  Ugh. Yeah I’ve heard that "it isn’t the best. It was the easiest to sign up for when the reddit exodus happened. I’m anti Israel and pro Ukraine and I’m always busy with real life/my own hobbies. I just don’t have the bandwidth for finding the best instance. C

                  • Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    3 months ago

                    I would put some effort into switching when you have a weekend. There isn’t necessarily a best, just best for you. The ones quill mentioned up the thread are all solid though. I’m a dbzero guy myself but blahaj is cool and I haven’t had issues with people from any of the other servers he’s mentioned. .ml, .hexbear, .grad, and .vegan whatever that instance is are all no go in my book for various reasons.

                  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    4
                    arrow-down
                    3
                    ·
                    3 months ago

                    You don’t have to switch, its like email, you can just have multiple. The phone apps for lemmy have an account switch feature so you can use more than one. The sign ups aren’t much more difficult than worlds in most cases. Some require a manual approval which can take some time.

                    Personally I left world because of how antagonistic they are towards vegans. I don’t mind a good debate but its crazy to me that the majority opinion there is that veganism is about as taboo as child rape.

              • catloaf@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                3 months ago

                No. Unless you’re a power-tripping mod or admin, they seem to be cool with that. Not so much toward average users. I’ve seen no drama here on lemm.ee.

          • madkins@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            3 months ago

            Personally, I’m fine with seeing differing opinions. On the political side, they get a bit obsessed with dunking and all these in-group memes for my tastes.

        • Deceptichum@quokk.au
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          3 months ago

          Ah, see I realized they were either all bad faith actors, bots, or idiots ages ago and don’t federate with them.

      • OlinOfTheHillPeople@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        25
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        3 months ago

        There are 20 Israel stories to every 1 Ukraine story on Lemmy.

        Regardless of your opinion on the matter, this platform is being heavily astroturfed, and so are many other “liberal” platforms. It’s actually way worse here than on Reddit.

        • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          3 months ago

          It’s actually way worse here than on Reddit.

          Because after r/ChapoTraphouse was kicked out from Reddit for inciting violence, the tankies moved to create lemmy.ml.

          • Soggy@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            CTH was kicked out for saying “John Brown was right actually, killing slavers is good” and made an example of, along with thedonald way after it had been abandoned. Full “antifa is as bad as fascists” garbage but it’s what the shareholders want.

            And it wasn’t all tankies, there were a lot of LateStageCapitalism refugees that git kicked because LSC was just straight tankie. I got kicked for suggesting that North Korea isn’t good just because the West says it’s bad.

        • Deceptichum@quokk.au
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          11
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          3 months ago

          Of course there are, and I probably post 3 of the 20.

          Other than the alt-right, you’re not going to find any support for Russia in the West.

          Why would we need to raise awareness and keep posting about Ukraine to the same level as Palestine?

          • socsa@piefed.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            20
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            3 months ago

            Bruh I literally got banned from .ml twice just for mentioning the fact that Russia shot down a civilian airliner in Ukraine. You are completely delusional if you don’t see that a significant portion of these idiots are up Putin’s ass.

            • Deceptichum@quokk.au
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              12
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              edit-2
              3 months ago

              You absolute little liar.

              the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited comments from members of the public.

              I am a real person, with an ethical obligation to stand up against genocide. There is no deception, I am a member of the public, and what I am doing is called activism (or slacktivism for the pessimists in the world).

              • OlinOfTheHillPeople@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                14
                ·
                3 months ago

                So, you admit that you are flooding this platform to deliberately present one story as more dominant in the news cycle than others in order to misrepresent its relevancy to current events?

                You can argue definitions and semantics all day, but that is what you’re doing - and it’s dishonest at best.

                • Deceptichum@quokk.au
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  11
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  3 months ago

                  You are saying posting on aggregate media sites is dishonest?

                  That is just ridiculous.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          3 months ago

          we’re also numb to what’s happening in ukraine. people got tired around when it hit the one year mark

            • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              3 months ago

              i mean westerners. it’s been very frustrating because it means i have to find out what’s going on by seeking firsthand perspectives because journalistic fervor is guided by what will sell ads. my bet is sometime around october seventh people start tuning out again because the novelty will have worn off. i’d love to be wrong, but every single outrage decays as we mistake novelty for news

      • Cethin@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        I haven’t met any in real life as far as I’m aware, but I’ve seen plenty on here.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        I think they’re talking about the people on TV talking about it, not the protestors themselves.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      3 months ago

      It’s not just Jill Stein, it’s a lot of people you see talking about Gaza as some blood curdling atrocity, but they don’t have the same level of empathy or consideration for Ukrainians.

      I don’t want the US government selling weapons to Russia to use against Ukrainians. I’m glad we aren’t.

      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        3 months ago

        Not yet, anyway. That’s absolutely Trump’s plan though. You want to help prevent that?

          • Soup@lemmy.cafe
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            3 months ago

            Why can’t they? You accuse everyone you talk to of supporting genocide. Quit playing the victim of the exact same shit you do to everyone here.

            • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              3 months ago

              Putting a question mark at the end of a lie doesn’t make it a question. I’m already voting for Harris, and you will never care because all you want in this world is total unquestioning loving support for Netanyahu and the genocide he’s committing for you.

              • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                3 months ago

                You can put “but I’m voting for Harris” in tiny font at the end of one of your countless attacks on Democrats, it doesn’t absolve you of the damage you do.

                Also I’m starting to worry you’re getting high on your own supply here - you do recall that I don’t actually support Netanyahu and your accusing me of it is just a rhetorical device, right?

                • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 months ago

                  Since you keep ignoring that I’m not a trump supporter and keep lying about me, there’s no reason for me to take anything you say at face value either.

                  edit: Elsewhere in the thread, there’s someone outright denying genocide. You’ve chosen to focus your attention on someone who objects to genocide instead.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          3 months ago

          Do you believe Putin when he claims Ukraine is committing genocide against Russia in the Donbas region,

          Of course I don’t. It’s why I’m glad that we’re not selling him weapons.