Vance might be smarter then Trump but there’s not a chance MAGA coalesces around him if Trump dies. Without that, congressional R’s won’t bend the knee so readily.
After Hitler built a cult for himself, some senior nazi officials tried to assassinate him in operation Valkyrie. They didn’t think they would be able to retain popularity without him unless he died a martyr, in which case whoever took over would be able to use it as a rallying cry. If trump is assassinated, that’s exactly what Vance will do.
Hitler had over 20 assassination attempts. Real ones. Compared to Trump, Hitler was on the battlefield in a WW and not a draft dodger.
Hitler didn’t just built a cult, he built the entire ideology on actual values and not gaslighting everything and everyone. While on the surface all of this is comparable to the Nazis, MAGA is so gullible, a squirrel could do what Trump does.
So yeah - Vance will probably do exactly that. And it may actually work
I just don’t believe that, sorry. Nothing special about Vance, I just think all anyone would have to do is lean into Trump as a martyr. Even a freak accident would be painted as the work of radical leftists, and Vance or whoever would capitalize.
It’s really hard to see Trump like this as we all see the real piece of shit that he is, but he really does have a type of charisma that Vance doesn’t. He also doesn’t have the instinct that Trump has as far as “good” insults, or how vicious he is with complete disregard for when to insult people. MAGA love that. I really don’t see them getting behind Vance like they did Trump.
I really believe the GOP was on the way out, they absolutely got saved by Trump though… They were quickly running out of people who could motivate the right. We just happen to live in the worst timeline where they got their conman. :/
Yeah, Trump is best thought of as fascist Bernie. Neither of these men are good orators, they aren’t appealing to their enemies, but they’re hypnotic to their supporters. Going to a Bernie rally in 2016 was electric. It was an old man yelling about politics, but it was an old man yelling about how I deserved better and that the people who screwed me and my fellow Americans over need to pay to fix it. I imagine Trump feels the same way, except he’s not calling for payment in the form of money to provide Healthcare and a more equitable society.
It’s similar to how you gotta remember that Hillary is shockingly charismatic one on one, she just really isn’t when speaking to a crowd
Project 2025 is a mechanism while complex it is ultimately worthless without a lever that being Trump. If Trump dies at minimum we will have some breathing room as the GOP infights, theres also the fact that without Trumps cult of personality posing a constant threat of lynching folks will be far more willing to outright oppose orders from the Whitehouse.
I respect your perspective, but I’m not convinced. Everyone I’ve seen say that just asserts it as fact, even though there is no shortage of demagogues in the alt-right. So many people think this ends with Trump and aren’t planning for what comes next, it seems.
Its not that there arent replacement but that they arent nearly as useful. Shit would still be bad but itd be like 20 percent more manageable, not brilliant but it buys time. Also cults of personality have a tendency towards imploding without the head, meaning without Trump a lot of his supporters would most likely become inactive.
Its not that im not considering what comes after its that I am hoping historical tendencies apply and it implodes allowing some amount of retaliation towards the hanger ons.
Vance is evil, Vance is moderately competent. Vance is also unable to muster the will to coup. Vance is to trump what Biden was to Obama. Associated and acceptable.
You want Vance? That’s how you get Vance.
Vance might be smarter then Trump but there’s not a chance MAGA coalesces around him if Trump dies. Without that, congressional R’s won’t bend the knee so readily.
After Hitler built a cult for himself, some senior nazi officials tried to assassinate him in operation Valkyrie. They didn’t think they would be able to retain popularity without him unless he died a martyr, in which case whoever took over would be able to use it as a rallying cry. If trump is assassinated, that’s exactly what Vance will do.
Though a poorly built Boeing aircraft with minimal QA likely will have the same results, it’s hardly an assassination.
Hitler had over 20 assassination attempts. Real ones. Compared to Trump, Hitler was on the battlefield in a WW and not a draft dodger. Hitler didn’t just built a cult, he built the entire ideology on actual values and not gaslighting everything and everyone. While on the surface all of this is comparable to the Nazis, MAGA is so gullible, a squirrel could do what Trump does.
So yeah - Vance will probably do exactly that. And it may actually work
I just don’t believe that, sorry. Nothing special about Vance, I just think all anyone would have to do is lean into Trump as a martyr. Even a freak accident would be painted as the work of radical leftists, and Vance or whoever would capitalize.
It’s really hard to see Trump like this as we all see the real piece of shit that he is, but he really does have a type of charisma that Vance doesn’t. He also doesn’t have the instinct that Trump has as far as “good” insults, or how vicious he is with complete disregard for when to insult people. MAGA love that. I really don’t see them getting behind Vance like they did Trump.
I really believe the GOP was on the way out, they absolutely got saved by Trump though… They were quickly running out of people who could motivate the right. We just happen to live in the worst timeline where they got their conman. :/
Yeah, Trump is best thought of as fascist Bernie. Neither of these men are good orators, they aren’t appealing to their enemies, but they’re hypnotic to their supporters. Going to a Bernie rally in 2016 was electric. It was an old man yelling about politics, but it was an old man yelling about how I deserved better and that the people who screwed me and my fellow Americans over need to pay to fix it. I imagine Trump feels the same way, except he’s not calling for payment in the form of money to provide Healthcare and a more equitable society.
It’s similar to how you gotta remember that Hillary is shockingly charismatic one on one, she just really isn’t when speaking to a crowd
It might not matter. Vance is not a danger the same way Trump is, he cannot rally support. Trump being gone just might be enough.
If Trump had written project 2025, I might be more inclined to think that. Trump on his own is what his first term was.
Project 2025 is a mechanism while complex it is ultimately worthless without a lever that being Trump. If Trump dies at minimum we will have some breathing room as the GOP infights, theres also the fact that without Trumps cult of personality posing a constant threat of lynching folks will be far more willing to outright oppose orders from the Whitehouse.
I respect your perspective, but I’m not convinced. Everyone I’ve seen say that just asserts it as fact, even though there is no shortage of demagogues in the alt-right. So many people think this ends with Trump and aren’t planning for what comes next, it seems.
Its not that there arent replacement but that they arent nearly as useful. Shit would still be bad but itd be like 20 percent more manageable, not brilliant but it buys time. Also cults of personality have a tendency towards imploding without the head, meaning without Trump a lot of his supporters would most likely become inactive.
Its not that im not considering what comes after its that I am hoping historical tendencies apply and it implodes allowing some amount of retaliation towards the hanger ons.
I hope you’re right!
Vance is evil, Vance is moderately competent. Vance is also unable to muster the will to coup. Vance is to trump what Biden was to Obama. Associated and acceptable.
Trump as a Putin sock puppet or Vance as a Putin sock puppet.
Still, it seems like a reasonable hope before we go out in the streets with pitchforks
Vance doesn’t have the personality to effectively order the
lynch mobRepublican voters aroundIt would be at worst an opportunity for things to get better. People to get scared.
It was an act of God to save us all