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    He needs to hit the rally circuit with Bernie and AOC.

    Get ready for that next run. AOC top of ticket, Walz for vice.

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      I’m sorry don’t run another woman. America well not vote one in. Both times Trump win was against women.

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      I don’t want Waltz anywhere near the presidency.

      I would definitely vote for AOC any day of the week though.

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        Well I want a team that can win. Other people do like Walz; Harris’ popularity spiked with that announcement. The campaign then hid him under a rock because he scared donors.

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        Even though AOC is one of the rare American politicians that I like, it’s probably not the best idea to make her the presidential candidate. Simply due to the fact that she’s a woman. The last few dem losses make it clear that America is still very sexist.

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          Kamala Harris was one of the most unpopular primary candidates in the 2020 primary, if not the most unpopular; Somehow that didn’t discourage the Democratic Party from anointing her in 2024.

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          I’m in some circles that would never support her because she sat down with Hasan Piker. I would absolutely support her, but she’s pretty polarizing. Same was said of Bernie despite him having one of the most successful grassroots attempts in history. Blows my mind that because they’re populists they’re immediately discounted by some, even though the positions they support are the ones we desperately need.

          Forgive my rant, but just because Trump is a populist with us vs them rhetoric does not make them equal by any fucking stretch of the imagination, and it drives me insane that the friends I’m thinking of are so blinded by the label.

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          I unfortunately believe it may play some role too for some voters. There are Americans who still embrace their cultures, where there is an emphasis more on men being in charge. Think of some middle eastern cultures for example. And of course, there’s the sexists.

          Sad reality also is there is a lot of racism still within our country…

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          Is it because they were women? Are you sure it wasn’t because they were borderline Republicans? Both Clinton and Harris are two of the most conservative democratic candidates to run in the last 30 years.

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            Well keep running women and keep coming up with excuses in why they loose besides admiring America is sexist.

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              Democrats: Run two of the most establishment, conservative, uninspiring candidates possible from their party; each with a laundry list of controversies and shady practices.

              You: They must have lost because they were women!

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              Maybe if we ran an actual fucking liberal for a change.

              Biden actually ran as a liberal and didn’t try to court the Republicans. Even though he’s got a long-term track record of voting for all the things Republicans love. Not to mention he ran basically a Reagan era White House. All the while being called the most liberal president we’ve ever had. Meanwhile Harris ran as a super conservative neoliberal. She embraced the war criminal Dick Cheney and refused to go on record as opposing the war on Gaza. Clinton steamrolled the entire Democratic party to take to nomination by force and then walked around pretending to be nice all the while spitting out conservative talking points.

              The entire Democratic party is a fucking joke. And until progressives decide to shed the Democratic party and run as progressive independents instead we’re going to continue to have this shit show.

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          Simply due to the fact that she’s a woman. The last few dem losses make it clear that America is still very sexist.

          Democrats really are willing to shut out all women as soon as a progressive woman is suggested.

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            The mental disconnect American liberals have with reality is staggering. Clinton and Harris did not lose the elections to Trump because they were women. They lost because they were unlikeable corporatist democrats that enabled genocide and supported the American oligarchy over the American people, and that was obvious to everyone with a brain.

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              They act like biden won with a decisive majority that gave centrism a mandate instead of barely squeaking in. It took days to be certain. That was far too close and democrats acted like everything was fine and that they could easily beat trump and still move to the right like they wanted.

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                Because those Left of center tend to stay home and roll over for fascists at the ballot box, despite it being a betrayal to all vulnerable people. The Right has their religious leaders and other authority figures making sure that the vote and promising to oppress vulnerable people.

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              The same things can be said about Biden and Obama, at least as far as where they are on the spectrum.

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            I’ve heard Republicans talk in the wild… You really, really underestimate how misogynistic people are. We’re close but right now we need certainty. I think a woman VP is the best bet, and I would HATE To relegate aoc to the nothing that is VP. Give it another 8 years before running aoc imo

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              The kind of Republicans that would never vote for a woman are also the kind that would never vote for a Democrat.

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            There may be other reasons, but US has never had a woman president. Ever. I don’t think this is the time to risk it again. Maybe if the dems win once and do well, they can try pushing for AOC next.

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              Maybe if the dems win once and do well, they can try pushing for AOC next.

              There’s always some excuse why a progressive can’t run.

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      Because he’s distancing himself from her politically to be able to run without their performance in the 2024 election dragging him down–and whomever wrote the article clearly has an issue with him and doesn’t want the stunt to do what it was designed to do.

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        Because he’s distancing himself from her politically

        I can see wanting to distance yourself from a failed campaign. Wonder why harris didn’t.

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    It’s going to take so much thinking to figure out why? I mean, the voters were pretty vocal in what they want, so that can’t be the problem. Such a mystery…

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    Tapper and Axios reporter Alex Thompson are set to publish Original Sin, a book that promises to reveal the “cover-up” of Biden’s decline, next month.

    It’s insane how often I still see people claim Biden was fine despite all the evidence and confessions that have came out since the election.

    Ideally Biden would have stepped down himself, but they should have article 25th him and let Kamala take over, then ran a legit fair primary where at least voters had a chance to pull Kamala left before the general.

    Luckily we’ve already had a complete turn over of leadership and they’re a lot more progressive this time.

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      Luckily we’ve already had a complete turn over of leadership and they’re a lot more progressive this time.

      Ken Martins first act was to pick pro business uber zionist Slotkin to rebut Trumps state of the unions speech. Thats about as far from progressive as you can get.

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      Luckily we’ve already had a complete turn over of leadership and they’re a lot more progressive this time.

      To be clear, what the party leadership will affect is future—not current—democrats. Expect the DNC to shift left over the next few years, but don’t expect the current neoliberal shitstains in office like Schumer, Pelosi and Jeffries to become smaller shitstains. Someone still needs to primary those people.

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        Expect the DNC to shift left over the next few years

        I’ll be glad to see it if it ever happens, but I only expect the dnc to punch left and embrace the right.

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      It’s insane how often I still see people claim Biden was fine despite all the evidence and confessions that have came out since the election.

      Not to mention the debate. We all watched him, live, repeating “and by the way” over and over like a mantra and randomly bragging about his golf skills

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        The most infuriating part is they’re almost always the ones insulting trumpets for denying reality…

        Completely ignorant they’re doing the same thing.

        They even attack anyone to the left of them just like trumpets do.

        Like, in every aspect except what party they claim to have voted for; they act exactly like trump supporters.

        The good news is despite being incredibly vocal, they make up a negligible percentage of the party.

        That’s why when they tried to support Republicans over Obama in 08, it literally didn’t matter. So it’s not only safe to ignore them and all of their opinions, historically it’s the best thing for the candidate and party to do.

        It’s why I block most of them whenever I run into them. They can’t debate policy because neoliberals policy is dog shit, all they’re hear to do is slap fights because they’re rage addicted.

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      Luckily we’ve already had a complete turn over of leadership and they’re a lot more progressive this time.

      That remains to be seen.

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    I can fully understand the sentiment behind “told you so” and calling out Trump/Republican voters for wanting to throw others under the bus. Still, you’re going to have to build as powerful a coalition against the Republican administration as you can, and for many districts this will eventually require a good number of former MAGA people. It may feel shitty, but the most strategic thing (including for the purpose of helping the most oppressed) is to find a way so that potential supporters who voted red in 2024 won’t be quiet 2026 and 2028 because of shame.

    If you don’t come around to this, two years down the road I would have grounds for saying “told you so” to you – and I’d hate me for it, because it would mean that I haven’t communicated this crucial point effectively enough. Much love from Germany.