I’m not American myself and this was just explained by a few American friends of mine who were formerly in the SRA and even had leadership roles in their chapters; one was a demsoc and two were anarchists. In my own country there are almost no MLs; they came to power back in the 60s and 70s as part of our national liberation but then they just ended up being power hungry, as all MLs eventually become (or were in the first place). Nobody has faith in them anymore so anybody who is leftist is pretty much anarchist or at least demsoc.
And anybody who praises the government of North Korea has absolutely zero moral high ground on which to stand
Well, our MLs have been in power for a couple of decades, led to us having a disgusting state-capitalist dictatorship with a poor socialist veil that corrupted our society to such a degree that we haven’t recovered from it not even 3 decades after the regime fell.
What’s even funnier is that western MLs aren’t fond of our so-called communist dictatorship because it happened to oppose the soviet dictatorship.
But yeah, to put it mildly, I’m not exactly fond of these kinda people.
I hear you. I assume you’re from a former Eastern bloc country or Yugoslavia based on the description you just gave. It was really terrible for yall I feel because the MLs were immediately replaced by rent-seeking capitalist oligarchs who picked off the bones of yall’s societies. Even worse that the ML governments suppressed all traditional culture to the point that now it’s gone 100% in the opposite direction so that a lot of the people celebrating the traditional culture and straight-up fascists, so if a regular person wants to celebrate traditional culture they’re grouped with those fascists.
Ohhh, if only lmao. Yugos had it quite decent… well, for a while at least, then unchecked nationalism made everything go to shit.
But no, we were Yugoslavia’s northern neighbor - RSR = Socialist Republic of Romania, we had it so bad that we were escaping to Yugoslavia and the serbs were smuggling all sort of things into our country and sell it on the black market.
And it went so well for those sellers that the entire country knew about the black markets close to the Danube. You could get jeans, brand t-shirts, Kent cigarettes, sweets, electronic watches from Albania, radios, chewing gum that looked like cigarettes and vegeta lol
MLs were immediately replaced by rent-seeking capitalist oligarchs who picked off the bones of yall’s societies
Yes and no. Because of the nature of our “revolution” (when we executed Ceausescu and his multi-doctoral and academic wife who didn’t know how to read properly and who also pronounced CO2 as in cotwo and not “see-oo-two”), we didn’t have any actual justice served. The rest of the system got away with it. The old political class continued to rob us, the torturers from the Securitate weren’t punished. Those with political connections got their hands on property and badly managed/unproductive factories and instead of bringing them up to western or even half-way decent standards they sold them for scrap iron - literally.
Even worse that the ML governments suppressed all traditional culture to the point that now it’s gone 100% in the opposite direction so that a lot of the people celebrating the traditional culture and straight-up fascists, so if a regular person wants to celebrate traditional culture they’re grouped with those fascists.
See, for us it didn’t happen like that. That’s why in present-day politics our “social democrats” are basically just (corrupt) conservatives, almost identical to our “national liberals” (these are 1% less corrupt). And it is centrist/center-right neolibs types that are the most progressive one. Shit’s a fuck, lmao.
HA. At least they’re keeping it historically consistent.
Hurr durr muh leftist unity, hurr durr.
Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it!
yep, tankies never change
I’m not American myself and this was just explained by a few American friends of mine who were formerly in the SRA and even had leadership roles in their chapters; one was a demsoc and two were anarchists. In my own country there are almost no MLs; they came to power back in the 60s and 70s as part of our national liberation but then they just ended up being power hungry, as all MLs eventually become (or were in the first place). Nobody has faith in them anymore so anybody who is leftist is pretty much anarchist or at least demsoc.
And anybody who praises the government of North Korea has absolutely zero moral high ground on which to stand
Well, our MLs have been in power for a couple of decades, led to us having a disgusting state-capitalist dictatorship with a poor socialist veil that corrupted our society to such a degree that we haven’t recovered from it not even 3 decades after the regime fell.
What’s even funnier is that western MLs aren’t fond of our so-called communist dictatorship because it happened to oppose the soviet dictatorship.
But yeah, to put it mildly, I’m not exactly fond of these kinda people.
I hear you. I assume you’re from a former Eastern bloc country or Yugoslavia based on the description you just gave. It was really terrible for yall I feel because the MLs were immediately replaced by rent-seeking capitalist oligarchs who picked off the bones of yall’s societies. Even worse that the ML governments suppressed all traditional culture to the point that now it’s gone 100% in the opposite direction so that a lot of the people celebrating the traditional culture and straight-up fascists, so if a regular person wants to celebrate traditional culture they’re grouped with those fascists.
Ohhh, if only lmao. Yugos had it quite decent… well, for a while at least, then unchecked nationalism made everything go to shit.
But no, we were Yugoslavia’s northern neighbor - RSR = Socialist Republic of Romania, we had it so bad that we were escaping to Yugoslavia and the serbs were smuggling all sort of things into our country and sell it on the black market.
And it went so well for those sellers that the entire country knew about the black markets close to the Danube. You could get jeans, brand t-shirts, Kent cigarettes, sweets, electronic watches from Albania, radios, chewing gum that looked like cigarettes and vegeta lol
Yes and no. Because of the nature of our “revolution” (when we executed Ceausescu and his multi-doctoral and academic wife who didn’t know how to read properly and who also pronounced CO2 as in cotwo and not “see-oo-two”), we didn’t have any actual justice served. The rest of the system got away with it. The old political class continued to rob us, the torturers from the Securitate weren’t punished. Those with political connections got their hands on property and badly managed/unproductive factories and instead of bringing them up to western or even half-way decent standards they sold them for scrap iron - literally.
See, for us it didn’t happen like that. That’s why in present-day politics our “social democrats” are basically just (corrupt) conservatives, almost identical to our “national liberals” (these are 1% less corrupt). And it is centrist/center-right neolibs types that are the most progressive one. Shit’s a fuck, lmao.
Holy shit that all sounds like an absolute nightmare. Good information to know though, I appreciate you sharing.