Okay smart ass, would you do work all day for free? Free as in, absolutely nothing in return or would you at the very least want to be able to feed yourself so you’d work for food, right? Oh shit what if you worked and you want food but you need a new shirt but you need to collect a bunch of fruit to trade for that shirt and that shirt was needed to keep doing your work, now you’re collecting fruit but what if it spoils first so you have to find the best spot that won’t spoil except that territory is controlled by a person who wants 2 sticks for every hour they keep your food unspoiled, what then?

There’s always something.

I’m just saying you can take away money and you will not have a free society where everyone is just in some utopia being accepting of one another there will still be murder and people will still want something in return. Whether it’s your time talking to someone or providing a service like building a house, someone is still going to want your pile of rocks for that.

If you want to hunt and gather shit move the hell to the Appalachians other than that pay for your goods and services.

Really someone learning a valuable skill errors their self worth how? Maybe by a dead end job market but that’s their fault then for not doing research on the job market before spending money on furthering your life and btw Affirm has payment plans that are affordable for nearly every earning bracket for college courses.

Leanring a skill that can help you earn money and get you out of poverty is what fucked up?

So relative to this population size is what saving for the future using the previously given equation would give. Meaning you could save more in less time but that’s more taxes. Then you’d have inflationary rates making it so paychecks only match the rising cost of goods…

We don’t have the ability to do it for everyone.

Do you mean redistribute wealth from billionaires? I think it’s been pretty well established, that will never happen.

No but if there comes a time when they’re able to get vocational training and contribute, they should.

I mean fuck me for setting my standards further than being in poverty forever. By the way, college certification courses aren’t hard to pay for with payment plans and SaaS/cloud computing isn’t a bad one. Even hvac is bumpin’ and that’s one that autistics can excel at. You could sell an infrastructure or build it and it’s less than 15,000$ to get there. Hvac can get to Six Figures but SaaS/Cloud Computing is a high starter. Mri techs aren’t bad either those are high paying low cost certification profession.

Set your goals higher than a bui. How about we help those who are in poverty get into thsie careers and build them up instead of keeping them on fucking poverty jeez us man.

I understand it’s just paper with cloth fiber that has no value unless we put that value to it. Yes, I understand money is a valueless idea but you take it away Humans are gonna wanna trade something whether it’s your skills or your philosophical babbling, they’re gonna want something in return. You take away one thing you replace it with another. So if someone asks you to cement their driveway you’re gonna want something in return, you might want food, their time back or now you get one night in their home.

It’s always something.

Whatever we save for the future for this population size will not cover the future population. So no matter what you will never have enough to feed, house and provide medical care for everyone.

It would take 13.24 years taxing the 429.44785276073619631 extra to the working people of the US to have enough money saved up for everyone in the country (current population of 350mil) for 25 years based on the 1,800$/MO income that would be dispensed.

Okay so doing the math and I hope I’m right and this is without Ai because I know how much you all hate it. So there’s 350mil people in the US. There’s 163mil working individuals. It’s 6.3E11 to provide $1,800 month which means if you divide that by the amount of workers you get 3865.0306748466257668. So I’m willing to guess that’s how much a month it would cost to the workers of this country to provide $1,800/MO to everyone in the entire country. Which means you’d have to make that figure smaller because not everyone makes enough to cover that a month.

So that means that if every worker reached that 3865.0306748466257668 every 9 months by paying 429.44785276073619631 a month in extra taxes… Holy fuck it would take months…

You’re right…

No that can’t be right… Omg…

Thank you for letting me know that.

I guess it’s only in my state because I get mine on the 13th I think of every month.

Second comment: the othertthing no one talks about is how much of an addiction it becomes. If you get the max amount from disability that near 2k a month minus health insurance and food. You have no generalized savings, unless you’re on section 8 due to how much rent you’d have to pay if you weren’t. You can have assets with disability but regualr SSI which limits assets and you’d have to keep all your money on cash because if you go over a certain limit in savings which you can’t even have a savings account really because of the limit and no work based income it’s harder to get a, “regualr bank account,” unless it’s at a credit union. You also can’t own a car on SSI but you can on disability.

Life isn’t great on these services you’re very limited and you’re better off, if you’re able to getting a career that pays at least 75k$ a year and lower expenses on luxuries.

Fair. Though, who’s gonna pay for the water, food, healthcare and housing? Paycheck or protection for the people? Feed the struggling and struggle more on the what 16$/hr and then beg for a raise because of more taxes that you wanted or what? It’s naive to think that it’s a possibility to feed, house and medically care for everyone without having some kind of a forethought otherwise you’re stuck with negative hindsight. I don’t know how to be more rational about this.

You know what’s nuts is every time I’ve mentioned that subset on reddit I’d get a mixed reaction so I leave those groups put due to the obvious answer of they deserve it.

I think if you’re physically able to work but have something with your mental health setting you back in life and you’re constantly trying to make the effort to integrate into society by going to vocational training and supplementing income by working the hours that you possibly can that your condition allows then you should be able to keep your benefits. I think if you’re like stunning half the day, non verbalaand can’t wash yourself yeah check and housing for life homie!!!.

I think if you can work you should work.

First : The US government would give people cases of water based on your social security number like they do with snap which currently, can make some people depending on your social security number, wait as far as two weeks into the month for food stamps. So imagine how that would play out with water. By the way that’s a way (☝🏻 not THE way, A way) they ration food in communism, they use things like your birth date or state identity (social security) and then ration it that way. Imagine toilet paper being given to you in rationed quantities based on your social security number.

Second: I only agree water and the ability to have a tent without being detained should be basic human needs. Food is a survival thing. You earn food by either by killing your own food or buying it. Water in the other hand it’s around but we as humans worry about parasites and shit because we need to so maybe we just start talking about lifestraws more often.

I think that laws surrounding the inability to live life without relying on the grid are exhausting and I think that we’re all just meant to be kept down.

Food is a human right in the means of availability in stores. You still gotta pay for it. We can’t just be animals and hunt and kill our food especially in the city, so industrialized food is what we got. You either deal with the potential of being killed while killing your meal or you suck it up and go to the grocery store. Either way youre stressed af and never truly satisfied.

Water on the other hand should be a basic human right and people should be charged half for their water bill. Like we can all fight and kill each other but at the end of the day how are we gonna do that if we can’t get water? We’re still animals. We still need water.

How about we evaluate why these things cost so much? Maybe if we idk, actually allow people the medical care they need instead of criminalizing them and gouging them maybe people would actually consider this country becoming a favorable place to live.

Whatever though people are choosing to have less and less children so ** when we die in debt an we have millions of dollars in debt due to probably a 8% apr, the government can go fuck itself looking for that debt collection because we’re not gonna have any family to pay those people back. Given that most people’s next of kin is responsible for their debt if they die.**

So yeah, I mean push people to thier limits and force us all into debt and then wonder why no one wants to procreate and yeah like anyone wants that 8%apr payment plan for crapping out an offspring that they so desperatly want you to keep and not abort but can’t afford to take care of and NOW they cut MORE Programs that help families and then go: no, no, no, there’s payment plans. Which agian shows they care about, what could be and not really is. It shows they don’t want to know what is going on and only use a heavily biased generalization.

Fuck outta here. I hope they all see a psychiatrist.