Idk, my mum was born in Poland and came over to aus as a teen. She still seemed horrified, but also she was big on “assimilation” (as the country was at the time).

One of the points in my waking up to carnism was when I mentioned an interest in hunting rabbits (a so called invasive pest here) over dinner with my family as a late teen.

My father expressed an incredible disgust at the idea of hunting, made some comment about sadists or something. The rest of my family were more reserved but similarly aghast, that I would be willing to participate in the process by which meat, which we were eating, was created represented some sort of character flaw.

Yet at the time we had gone fishing, and I had done work experience on a farm. I volunteered at the school farm and had raised broiler chickens and helped load them onto a truck to a slaughterhouse.

It made me realise how utterly disconnected we all were and how the people around me were utterly repulsed by the violence required for their pleasures.

I moved out shortly after and went pescatarian largely due to the soul searching that prompted. Becoming vegan later when I realised Nirvana lied to me.

isn’t it just? My favourite is “While 99% of all meat comes from factory farms, no one eats that meat.”

Not a single person I’ve ever spoken to about veganism, not at demonstrations or privately, has ever admitted to eating factory farmed meat.

Is it all some bizarre welfare system? the butchers/supermarkets/delies just buy it from the farmers and throw it out?

You don’t think this list is comedy? Baffling!

Tofu and tempeh are cheap, the rest are junk foods largely marketed towards lactose intolerant people and carnists with a guilty conscience.

Standard plant based food is like bean or lentil stew. Not hotdogs except molecular gastronomy.

Could you be more explicit? Like what are the foods and clothing etc suggested by militant vegans that are luxury goods?

So meat eaters and strawberry eaters are privileged? I am unsure of your point here?

It is true that not eating strawberries and not eating meat are both accessible outside the global north or w/e.

Are you vegan, because all of those second paragraph things are associated with veganism.

Well idk about taco bell cause I’m not a seppo but literally when I told me sister I was going vegan and asked if she had advice she said “Sour patch kids and oreos are vegan”

Sort of fallacious to go from one case of time to happen and derive probability from it.

I’m no biologist but I don’t think any of our models of super early stuff are sophisticated enough to speculate on what stages are the most or least likely.

Yeah but you understand the difference between the state and the people who lived there right? Like Jewish settlers came from Europe, to the place Palestinian people were and had been living in.

They have a connection to the state of Palestinian (inasmuch as it exists given differing degrees of recognition) by way of having moral rights to continue living on the land they live on regardless of what some lines on a map call it.

Eh, this is a little simplistic. While it is indisputably true that you have to look at per capita emissions and that chinese manufacturing makes loads of the stuff made that second point needs more exploring.

Because capitalism is a garbage, nightmare system manufacturing gets sent, in general, to the cheapest manufacturer. The fantasy is this represents the most awesome, magical, and clever business but IRL it usually has more to do with loosest tax, safety, and environmental laws.

So you can’t view the manufacturing as some selfless sacrifice of emissions, there may be government policies in play meaning idk dirty power is really cheap or whatever.

I basically think country vs country is a fucking stupid lens to view this through in general, because for all some fakelandian business might dump uranium in a river fakelandia is probably the way it is for reasons that non uranium dumping countries aren’t guilt free in.

our global system has produced these problems, not moustache twirling villianous defectors.

“I don’t search things because I might fall victim to misinformation. Instead I trust random internet links which I don’t read.”

Nah this is just cope. Vegans come from all walks of life.

Ease of doing something or degree of missing it doesn’t really tip the moral scales much when compared to the yawning abyss of horror that is farming. Plenty of us loved all the hedonistic pleasures of carnism, just once you realise what you’re doing it’s completely indefensible and change is required.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling

fuck you’re being lazy, do even some work? show any curiosity? it’s standard in the EU, in the usa it’s recommended wtf do you want me to do?

Nutritious meals based on lentils/legumes are astonishingly cheap. wtf are you smoking? mock sausage etc is a luxury good, it is not a standard feature in any diet.

cw: graphic

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/chickens/7645698 standard practice in aus. A 5 second Google would have found this and others. Maybe put a modicum of effort in to investigating stuff?

People will pay more to uphold their moral values.

How did the egg laying chickens come into existence? Where are all the roosters? What happens when they get too old to lay? How many eggs do their ancestors lay, are there health problems associated with the difference?

What creatures do the honey bees starve out? Are bee farms hotbeds of disease? How are sick hives treated? Do bees defend their honey? What are the bees fed instead?

mushrooms are approx 95% water and are not very useful as a protein source. They just taste good

You’re probably just not eating rich enough food! If your normal meal is something like say spaghetti bolognese and you take out the beef and cheese and just throw in some lentils for an equivalent mass they have 1/3 the calories! Not to mention cheese is incredibly energy dense.

Usually, proteins tend to work out if you’re using lentils/legumes in reasonable amounts. They tend to beat meat on a gram for gram basis just on raw numbers but be much lower energy to make up the difference so you need some fats in there. This is where stuff like nuts and seeds come in.

If you’re also suddenly increasing fibre intake that can irritate your gut and make it move stuff a little too fast which can make you feel hungry.

Here are a few cheap and lazy meals that always fill me up. Try them for yourself.

https://www.purelykaylie.com/vegan-moroccan-stew/#tasty-recipes-10125-jump-target

https://thestingyvegan.com/vegan-jambalaya/

https://lovingitvegan.com/vegan-burrito/#recipe (lazy in big batches anyway)

https://www.veganricha.com/grillable-veggie-burger/#recipe

https://thewoksoflife.com/buddhas-delight-lo-han-jai/#recipe (ok this one isn’t lazy but it isn’t hard and it’d delicious!)