Depends how you look at it! Here’s me accessing Mastodon and the fediverse via email: https://lemmy.world/post/11020167 I’ve written a a couple more prototypes to connect one to the other. If anyone is interested I could write up more about how it works or do a more public demo
Link to the YAML spec, for the (very) brave: https://yaml.org/spec/1.2.2/
Good question! Sorry if this answer is weird :)
For me, I don’t actually interact from Mastodon per se. I wrote a couple of read-only Lemmy & Mastodon clients. One for a weird text editing environment I use (https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/1035382) and via email (https://gts.olowe.co/@o/statuses/01HMQ9N4HQ2ETGZWJS49K5NG5Y). To reply to or create posts, I use a write-only Mastodon client I wrote.
My idea is to exercise the fediverse. In principal I don’t think I should need separate accounts for Lemmy, PeerTube, Mastodon, Kbin, Akkoma, etc.
Right now I’m replying from an account on lemmy.sdf.org as I can’t reply from GoToSocial (Lemmy and GoToSocial don’t work well together right now) and my Mastodon server (hachyderm.io) has a post limit of 500 characters.
Ah ha makes sense now! The “Replying to comments” section of that article explains exactly what’s happening. If I understand correctly the community itself (!privacy@lemmy.ml in my above example) is not notified of my reply from Mastodon. If the community did know, then it would broadcast a notification of the activity to whoever else is subscribed to !privacy@lemmy.ml.
Gotcha. I had a feeling something around how Mastodon doesn’t support ActivityPub Groups (yet?) would be where things are going on. Congrats on piefed, by the way. I’ll start studying the codebase now as I’m keen to understand how server-to-server communication works more deeply than I do now. Sending Announce(?) and fetching stuff from other servers…
When I look at the ActivityPub Note object (via curl -H 'Accept: application/activity+json https://hachyderm.io//111887721960075860) I see:
{
"@context": [
"https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams",
{
"ostatus": "http://ostatus.org#",
"atomUri": "ostatus:atomUri",
"inReplyToAtomUri": "ostatus:inReplyToAtomUri",
"conversation": "ostatus:conversation",
"sensitive": "as:sensitive",
"toot": "http://joinmastodon.org/ns#",
"votersCount": "toot:votersCount"
}
],
"id": "https://hachyderm.io/users/otl/statuses/111887721960075860",
"type": "Note",
"summary": null,
"inReplyTo": "https://ttrpg.network/comment/4965852",
"published": "2024-02-07T01:59:08Z",
"url": "https://hachyderm.io/@otl/111887721960075860",
"attributedTo": "https://hachyderm.io/users/otl",
"to": [
"https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public"
],
"cc": [
"https://hachyderm.io/users/otl/followers",
"https://ttrpg.network/u/Neato",
"https://lemmy.world/u/ForgottenFlux"
],
"sensitive": false,
"atomUri": "https://hachyderm.io/users/otl/statuses/111887721960075860",
"inReplyToAtomUri": "https://ttrpg.network/comment/4965852",
"conversation": "tag:hachyderm.io,2024-02-06:objectId=123754186:objectType=Conversation",
"content": "<p><span class=\"h-card\" translate=\"no\"><a href=\"https://ttrpg.network/u/Neato\" class=\"u-url mention\">@<span>Neato</span></a></span> <span class=\"h-card\" translate=\"no\"><a href=\"https://lemmy.world/u/ForgottenFlux\" class=\"u-url mention\">@<span>ForgottenFlux</span></a></span> I totally get how you feel. One use-case I think of is machine-generated image alt-text. These are often not added to images. But with image-to-text ML models, visually-impaired people could hear a descriptions of images that before were never annotated.</p>",
"contentMap": {
"en": "<p><span class=\"h-card\" translate=\"no\"><a href=\"https://ttrpg.network/u/Neato\" class=\"u-url mention\">@<span>Neato</span></a></span> <span class=\"h-card\" translate=\"no\"><a href=\"https://lemmy.world/u/ForgottenFlux\" class=\"u-url mention\">@<span>ForgottenFlux</span></a></span> I totally get how you feel. One use-case I think of is machine-generated image alt-text. These are often not added to images. But with image-to-text ML models, visually-impaired people could hear a descriptions of images that before were never annotated.</p>"
},
"attachment": [],
"tag": [
{
"type": "Mention",
"href": "https://ttrpg.network/u/Neato",
"name": "@Neato@ttrpg.network"
},
{
"type": "Mention",
"href": "https://lemmy.world/u/ForgottenFlux",
"name": "@ForgottenFlux@lemmy.world"
}
],
"replies": {
"id": "https://hachyderm.io/users/otl/statuses/111887721960075860/replies",
"type": "Collection",
"first": {
"type": "CollectionPage",
"next": "https://hachyderm.io/users/otl/statuses/111887721960075860/replies?only_other_accounts=true&page=true",
"partOf": "https://hachyderm.io/users/otl/statuses/111887721960075860/replies",
"items": []
}
}
}
So I’m assuming an Announce was posted to the shared inboxes at lemmy.ml, lemmy.world and ttrpg.network… hmm…
I better start reading!
Ah! Interesting.
Which instances? Do you mean hachyderm.io with, say, lemmy.one?
Growth might be impossible, but a steady and “boring” amount of profit should still be possible selling plain-ole-dishwashers. Yet … for some reason, we don’t see that.
God yes this bothers and fascinates me.
Instead companies throw everything into growth and we get the retarded bluetooth enabled dishwasher problem everywhere, and I’d like toknow more about why.
I think it’s alluded to in the article:
They found a way to make consumers spend more money on dishwashing. The line goes up, for one more year. But it’s not enough. It has to go up every year.
Digging deeper: why must the line go up? Pesonally I see it as a deeply emotional, human thing.
When you read those annual financial reports from big companies, they will do anything to make sure things look rosy. Bullshit terms like “negative growth” are used because “loss” or “shrink” sound bad. So what if it sounds bad?
Confidence. Trust. It’s emotional. These are deep in our psyche. It’s how governments get elected, contracts are won, and investments are made. It’s what makes us human. If that line goes down… will it go back up? What’s going to happen? Alarm bells! Uncertaintly. Anxiety. People abandon you. Money, power, influence fades. You could find yourself replaced by the up-and-coming who “show promise”.
Our social emotional species has hundreds of thousands of years (millions?) of years of this stuff hardwired into us. Trust let us cooperate beyond our own individual or family interests. Would we be human otherwise? (I found the article Behavioural Modernity interesting).
I wonder whether they are aware of the ForgeFed project?
Thought that’s already supported? e.g. https://gitlab.com/diasporg/diaspora.atom
Does ActivityPub even share the user’s IP address with other nodes in the network?
No this is not in the specification.
A malicious instance could in theory distribute this information but it would be non-standard. Of the 2 systems I’ve studied - Mastodon and Lemmy - neither do this.
Are they talking about your IP address or the service’s?
In this scenario they would be talking about the IP address(es) of the services.
Yes, by design: https://docs.joinmastodon.org/methods/accounts/
IMO, the problem is not them taking the information per se, but in abusing that info to further the massive surveillance apparatus that harms society.
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Will have to look in to the codebase to see how that’s pulled off!
Yeah I never noticed this because I’ve had “reduce transparency” set for years now.
It’s that pesky root user, right? There’s loads of their files on my system. I can’t edit any of them. Don’t know why they are so protective.
It isn’t the case for server-to-server communication, but as users we interact with one instance.
This is similar to email. For example, you connect to a mail server (via SMTP) to send email. That server then relays the message onwards through the “fediverse” of mail. A regular mail client does not connect to all possible SMTP servers. Does that make sense?
For the curious, see issue #404
Yes - well, almost! I made a read-only filesystem interface to Lemmy then wrote a small program for one of the Plan 9 text editors/programming environments to access it.
The real thing would be to serve that filesystem interface over the Plan 9 file protocol (9P). Not quite there yet!
You know what’s funny? I would never use something like this (my own Lemmy client is absolutely terrible in comparison!). But I’m so happy that Alexandrite exists: it’s proof that programming and web development can still be experimental and loads of fun. Congrats to the developers!
of course!