That’s capitalism for you. But also Linux, where it’s typical to upstream hardware support and rely on existing ecosystems rather than release addon drivers or niche supporting apps.
China has made some strategic investments in Linux over the years though – often domestically targeted, like Red Flag Linux, and drivers for chinese hardware, etc.
There is plenty of consumer hardware that is supported on Linux, or will be as soon as a kernel developer gets their hands on it, reverse engineers the protocol if necessary, and adds support. For things like keyboards, there are often proprietary extensions (eg. for built-in displays, macros, etc.). It pays to check for Linux support before buying hardware though. Sometimes it’s not the kernel drivers, but supporting software (eg. Steam input) that might not support it.
First class vendor support for Linux is more common for niche/premium hardware designed in the west, than cheap chinese knockoffs that follow it. Long term customer support is not their strong suit.
What do you mean lacking support for keyboards and controllers? Maybe for doing weird custom stuff like RGB, but for anything else they’re standard HIDs and will work with anything, no “support” needed. You can plug a USB keyboard and mouse into your phone and it’ll work if you want.
I’m currently playing Clair Obscur on linux through steam with a cheap fake xbox controller I got off ebay, and it works perfectly. I’m using an Nvidia card too, and I haven’t had to do any customisation or anything.
Easy anti-cheat won’t work, so Valorant/Fortnite, etc. are out of the question for now, but any games that don’t use that kind of malware are probably fine.
Ah, makes sense. You’re right about firmware updaters, and I don’t know if I’d trust one running under Wine anyway tbh. Who knows what weird system calls they make assuming you’re running Windows 95 or whatever.
But also Linux, where it’s typical to upstream hardware support and rely on existing ecosystems rather than release addon drivers or niche supporting apps.
Still possible though, right?
It does afterall support out of tree device drivers now.
Sure… but why would el cheapo hardware want/need to support proprietary drivers? Now, for premium hardware and software, they might still want vendor lock-in mechanisms… So unless you absolutely have to, you should avoid hardware on Linux that needs proprietary drivers.
Great. Now they’re building infrastructure and industry atop a stolen Trojan Horse, which may still bite them the moment the little oange man tells Nadella to flip the switch.
Jesus nun-fucking Christ, what an absolute scam. I bought a 1070 for $220 in the first few months after release. Guess I’ll just have to hope it can run for another 10 years…
Tell me about it. I also paid about the same for a 1070 back in 2016 and it lasted me all the way until 2022, when I finally decided to be a sucker and pony up the $1600 for a brand new 4090 at launch. Which as insane as that is, I’m glad I did because now 4090s go for about $3K used!
If you didn’t buy a new GPU by mid 2023, you’re pretty much stuck with what you have for the foreseeable future, given how insane prices are now with no signs of slowing down.
We also partly ended up with the 5k 5090 because it’s just the TITAN RTX of the 50xx generation - the absolute top of the line a card where you pay 200% extra for that last +10% performance.
nVidia just realized few generations back that naming those cards the xx90 gets a bunch of more people to buy them, because they always desperately need to have the shiniest newest xx90 cards, no matter the cost.
Nvidia cards are more powerful, but even if others never catch up they could still be solidly “good enough” for gaming. I have a newer Nvidia card and my computer is feels so wildly overbuilt. The only thing I wish I had more of was SSD space, but that’s a different problem.
Unless you’re a professional competitive gamer, in which case this is actual work equipment, the difference in performance between medium-tier and upper-echelon is probably not worth it for the average consumer.
I’m looking forward to cheap Chinese video cards that out perform Nvidia shit for 1/4 the price.
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That’s capitalism for you. But also Linux, where it’s typical to upstream hardware support and rely on existing ecosystems rather than release addon drivers or niche supporting apps.
China has made some strategic investments in Linux over the years though – often domestically targeted, like Red Flag Linux, and drivers for chinese hardware, etc.
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There is plenty of consumer hardware that is supported on Linux, or will be as soon as a kernel developer gets their hands on it, reverse engineers the protocol if necessary, and adds support. For things like keyboards, there are often proprietary extensions (eg. for built-in displays, macros, etc.). It pays to check for Linux support before buying hardware though. Sometimes it’s not the kernel drivers, but supporting software (eg. Steam input) that might not support it.
First class vendor support for Linux is more common for niche/premium hardware designed in the west, than cheap chinese knockoffs that follow it. Long term customer support is not their strong suit.
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What do you mean lacking support for keyboards and controllers? Maybe for doing weird custom stuff like RGB, but for anything else they’re standard HIDs and will work with anything, no “support” needed. You can plug a USB keyboard and mouse into your phone and it’ll work if you want.
I’m currently playing Clair Obscur on linux through steam with a cheap fake xbox controller I got off ebay, and it works perfectly. I’m using an Nvidia card too, and I haven’t had to do any customisation or anything.
Easy anti-cheat won’t work, so Valorant/Fortnite, etc. are out of the question for now, but any games that don’t use that kind of malware are probably fine.
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Ah, makes sense. You’re right about firmware updaters, and I don’t know if I’d trust one running under Wine anyway tbh. Who knows what weird system calls they make assuming you’re running Windows 95 or whatever.
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Still possible though, right?
It does afterall support out of tree device drivers now.
Sure… but why would el cheapo hardware want/need to support proprietary drivers? Now, for premium hardware and software, they might still want vendor lock-in mechanisms… So unless you absolutely have to, you should avoid hardware on Linux that needs proprietary drivers.
So either way, it make it better to support Linux over MS Windows.
Most of the handheld consoles they sell run Linux of some variety. It’s just a question of what is marketable.
China has no need for open source because they steal everything anyway.
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Likewise. Don’t expect it from China though.
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Great. Now they’re building infrastructure and industry atop a stolen Trojan Horse, which may still bite them the moment the little oange man tells Nadella to flip the switch.
I hope you’re right because Intel and AMD still can’t compete with high end Nvidia cards, and that’s how we ended up with a $5000 5090.
AMD can already beat nvidia at the price tiers most people actually buy at, and Intel is gaining ground way faster than anyone expected.
But outside of the GPU shakeup, I could give a shit about Intel. Let China kill us. We earned this.
FIVE THOUSAND?!
Jesus nun-fucking Christ, what an absolute scam. I bought a 1070 for $220 in the first few months after release. Guess I’ll just have to hope it can run for another 10 years…
Tell me about it. I also paid about the same for a 1070 back in 2016 and it lasted me all the way until 2022, when I finally decided to be a sucker and pony up the $1600 for a brand new 4090 at launch. Which as insane as that is, I’m glad I did because now 4090s go for about $3K used!
If you didn’t buy a new GPU by mid 2023, you’re pretty much stuck with what you have for the foreseeable future, given how insane prices are now with no signs of slowing down.
We also partly ended up with the 5k 5090 because it’s just the TITAN RTX of the 50xx generation - the absolute top of the line a card where you pay 200% extra for that last +10% performance.
nVidia just realized few generations back that naming those cards the xx90 gets a bunch of more people to buy them, because they always desperately need to have the shiniest newest xx90 cards, no matter the cost.
Nvidia cards are more powerful, but even if others never catch up they could still be solidly “good enough” for gaming. I have a newer Nvidia card and my computer is feels so wildly overbuilt. The only thing I wish I had more of was SSD space, but that’s a different problem.
Unless you’re a professional competitive gamer, in which case this is actual work equipment, the difference in performance between medium-tier and upper-echelon is probably not worth it for the average consumer.