Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a US representative, said on Wednesday that she will oppose any future US military aid to Israel, including for defensive systems.

In a statement on social media, Ocasio-Cortez said that Israel was fully capable of funding “Iron Dome and other defensive systems”, and that “consistent with my voting record to date, I will not support Congress sending more taxpayer dollars and military aid to a government that consistently ignores international law and US law”.

Her remarks on Wednesday follow reports that she pledged to oppose any future military aid to Israel during a New York City Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) forum on Tuesday evening.

“Our allies who need our military aid must understand that we will provide it consistent with the Leahy amendment and the foreign assistance act”, Ocasio-Cortez added, referring to a law which prohibits the US from providing military support to army units that violate human rights.

According to City & State, which obtained a partial recording of the DSA forum, Ocasio-Cortez told members: “I have not once ever voted to authorize funding to Israel, and I will never,” adding that “the Israeli government should be able to finance their own weapons if they seek to arm themselves.”

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    How about any aid at all? That country needs a lot of things, democracy, ethics, morals, but it does not need aid for anything

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    Shoulda done that years ago. We wouldn’t be in this predicament today had that been done. She offered criticism of Israel, but when push came to shove she didn’t rock the boat when voting time came and she changed her vote away from “no” to fund Israel’s Iron Dome.

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      Hate on the politicians not moving, not on those moving too slow for your liking. This shit is why you have Trumpaloompa now.

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    Better late than never, but the left coalition of the party could have done this 75,000 Palestinians ago.

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      Give em a bill and charge interest every year.

      If they don’t pay, most of the global economy still runs thru NYC, if we sanction their leaders and oligarchs instead of random ass “settlers” who don’t even have a bank account, we could apply real pressure for their government to pay.

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        Israel does not owe the US for weapons, because they are gifts. The nominally loans are immediately forgiven by state dept.

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          I love how you watch as potus does whatever the fuck he wants and still thinks “oh we have precedent for this” is something anyone should give one singular fuck about.

          How about this: we are going to vote for the people that will claw back every fucking penny from that country we can. They fucking owe us.

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          They should owe though. It’s disgusting that we continue to gift weapons for a genocide while we refuse to fund things like universal healthcare here at home.

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          Yeah but it is what the US says it is. We could just state otherwise, you owe us, fuck you pay us. Not going to happen as they have our politicians compromised, with the CIA’s help it appears. How about some fucking court martials for helping foreign governments compromise our politicians? Death penalty.

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            forgiving a loan is a permanent contract. You can validly say that everyone who previously cancelled loans were traitorous scum, as a basis for conditions for future sales to Israel, and seizing assets of all “supposed Americans” of those who bribed the traitorous scum as restitution. But cancelled loans themselves are without legal restitution.

            I prefer seizing the $10T of Zionazi agents and funding of Zionazi first rule over America to death penalties.

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              Oh is it? Tell that to all the fucking student loans that were forgiven they went back on. No, it’s clearly not fucking permanent. So we are done here.

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              Idk what you are talking about. I said the US officials that helped compromise our citizens for a foreign country are traitors. You have a problem with that?

              As far as forgiving loans, Israel wasn’t loaned anything, we gave it to them, that’s the whole point here. But yes, we have cancelled loans before, including in the Magna Carta

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                As far as forgiving loans, Israel wasn’t loaned anything, we gave it to them,

                The contractual shenanigans of gifting weapons to Israel is that they are sold with a loan. The state department immediately forgives the loan.

                the US officials that helped compromise our citizens for a foreign country are traitors.

                I agree. I prefer seizing their and their donors wealth instead of death penalty.

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      Which one of these you linked is providing funding to Israel?

      In order:

      H.R.5917

      This bill extends the authority of the President to impose sanctions on foreign persons using human shields through 2030 and requires the President to impose such sanctions on each foreign person determined to be a member of Palestine Islamic Jihad and orders, controls, or otherwise directs the use of human shields. Currently, such sanctions are (1) required for users of human shields who are members of Hamas or Hezbollah or supporters of those groups, and (2) authorized for other users of human shields.

      The President must also determine if a person named in certain congressional requests meets the criteria for such sanctions and report on whether the President intends to impose sanctions on that person.

      Additionally, the Department of Defense must report to Congress on the implications of the use of human shields by Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestine Islamic Jihad.

      H.R.5961

      This bill requires the President to impose property-blocking sanctions on foreign financial institutions and international financial institutions that process, participate in, or facilitate a transaction involving certain Iranian funds (namely, the approximately $6 billion of Iranian funds that the Biden administration permitted to be transferred from restricted accounts in South Korea to restricted accounts in Qatar to facilitate the release of five U.S. citizens detained in Iran).

      H.R.6679

      This bill imposes immigration-related penalties on certain non-U.S. nationals (aliens under federal law) who are involved with terrorism or attacks against Israel.

      Under this bill, members of Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Hamas or who participated in or otherwise facilitated the October 7, 2023, attacks on Israel may not be admitted into the United States.

      The bill also expands an existing admissions bar against officers, representatives, and spokespersons of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). Under this bill, all PLO members are barred from admission into the United States.

      The bill also prohibits any non-U.S. national who participated in or otherwise facilitated the October 7, 2023, attacks from seeking any immigration-related relief or protections, including (1) protection from being deported to a country where the individual’s life or freedom would be threatened, or (2) asylum in the United States.

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        Summaries are generally misleading.

        Full text for H.R.5917: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5917/text where it outlines the modifications to public law 115-348 which according to Sec. 3.d authorizes usage of the IEEPA to enforce sanctions.

        Israel then directly receives defense spending to enforce those sanctions as well as indirectly being funded via any seized assets that are found in violation of those sanctions as “reperations”. Here’s an example of a $500Mil funding source.

        H.R.5961 uses essentially the same mechanism but targets Iran specifically redirecting a large chunk of the $6B mentioned towards Israel.

        You are correct that H.R.6679 isn’t about funding, but I still felt it was important to include.

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        H.R.4016, the Department of Defense Appropriations Act

        Sec. 8067. Of the amounts appropriated in this Act under the headings “Procurement, Defense-Wide” and “Research, Development, Test and Evaluation, Defense-Wide”, $500,000,000 shall be for the Israeli Cooperative Programs: Provided, That of this amount, $60,000,000 shall be for the Secretary of Defense to provide to the Government of Israel for the procurement of the Iron Dome defense system to counter short-range rocket threats, subject to the U.S.-Israel Iron Dome Procurement Agreement; $127,000,000 shall be for the Short Range Ballistic Missile Defense (SRBMD) program, including cruise missile defense research and development under the SRBMD program; $40,000,000 shall be for co-production activities of SRBMD systems in the United States and in Israel to meet Israel’s defense requirements consistent with each nation’s laws, regulations, and procedures, subject to the U.S.-Israeli co-production agreement for SRBMD; $100,000,000 shall be for an upper-tier component to the Israeli Missile Defense Architecture, of which $100,000,000 shall be for co-production activities of Arrow 3 Upper Tier systems in the United States and in Israel to meet Israel’s defense requirements consistent with each nation’s laws, regulations, and procedures, subject to the U.S.-Israeli co-production agreement for Arrow 3 Upper Tier; and $173,000,000 shall be for the Arrow System Improvement Program including development of a long range, ground and airborne, detection suite.

        This is what AOC voted on in regard to Israel and the Iron Dome.

        MTG had offered an amendment that would cut the funding for Israeli defense and AOC voted against it, allowing the funds to remain in the bill.

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      I want to VOTE for her! Oh wait, I already do! Now want to vote for her for Senate (don’t let the door clobber you in the ass on the way out Schmuckie-boy!), and then President!

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        I mean… I would vote for her (to be POTUS) too, since I’m very much a democratic socialist. Unfortunately her chances of actually being the Democrat nominee are basically zero. And even if she did get that far, she would lose in the same way Kamala and Hillary did. Fence sitters and centrists seem incapable of voting for a woman. 🤷‍♂️

        I would be elated to be proven wrong! Please, Universe! Prove me wrong on this!

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          Fence sitters and centrists seem incapable of voting for a woman.

          It’s really disingenuous to boil it all down to a gender war. Neither Clinton nor Harris ran good campaigns.

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            Both were also victims of various forms of election manipulation and fraud, although Hillary’s campaign was especially godawful.

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    She was going to vote against it originally. Then supposedly Pelosi convinced her to change her vote. So she voted present.

    It’s a difficult spot to be in, given that much of her support relies on the zionists in New York like Schumer, etc in her party… Donors too…

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      Yeah it must be SOOO difficult to sacrifice tens of thousands of innocent civilians so that she can stay in power and not make her colleagues uncomfortable. Give me a break. She’s an evil Zio neolib like the rest of the Democratic Party. Crocodile tears

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      Problem is all of us on the left will not forget her past record and her choices time and time again to side with the status quo, Israel, and the imperialist, capitalist Democratic Party.

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        i agree. she has been a let down the past few years. she’s mucher better than most liberals, but she still has bent the knee to Israel in the past when her voice mattered

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    would be nice to do palestinian aid and recognize its not a forgone conclusion that it be annexed and if we for some reason do give aid lets at least limit weaponry we might give them and hey lets work to keep aid channels open to palestine. you know. all the stuff we were doing until 2025.

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      all the stuff we were doing until 2025.

      Literally what? This is all stuff Democrats (including AOC herself) were flamed for not doing until 2025.

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        nope they were flamed for not doing more. we had limits on weapons and getting aid to isreal was a fight even though it got through. there was aid to plestine. we friggen made a dock to get around israel blockading areas. peoples memories are either miniscule or they edit them as it goes by.

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          This is historical revisionism.

          we had limits on weapons

          Literally one paused shipment. Big fucking deal.

          getting aid to isreal was a fight even though it got through

          The overwhelming majority regularly voting yes is not my idea of a fight.

          there was aid to plestine.

          There was aid during Trump’s term too. In both cases it was Israel dictating how much aid got through.

          we friggen made a dock to get around israel blockading areas

          A useless dock that was criticized for being useless the moment it was announcement and eventually was used by the IDF.

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            its not revisionist. the limits where on types and size of weapons. your reply shows it exactly. it was not good enough so lets just choose worse. before trump we were trying but now its just israel calling the shots. we friggin attacked iran. jeez just a bit after he took office the plans for the west bank as a vacation destination were thrown up. I just don’t get folks that can’t tell the difference between better and worse.

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              the limits where on types and size of weapons.

              There were no limits other than a pause on one shipment of 2000 pound bombs. That is almost literally nothing.

              before trump we were trying

              Your thoughts and prayers don’t matter to the Palestinians Israel was starving to death.

              Israel was always calling the shots with regards to Palestine; Trump is just more blatant about it. He’s also worse on Iran, but that’s a completely different conversation.

              it was not good enough so lets just choose worse

              That doesn’t have fucking anything with what we’re talking about. You made a claim about Democrats; you don’t get to deflect by talking about Republicans.

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                its completely what we are talking about. perfect being the enemy of good. The use of pause is pretty disengenous. yes it was paused until 2025 when trump took office which is what stopped the pause. your whole middle section again shows you can’t tell the difference between better and worse. I would never want you “working” to help me. this reminds me so much of obama care. that half a loaf has made things a bit better for me than the no loaf some people seem to prefer. don’t get me wrong I want the whole loaf but refusing to let anyone get the half to make a moral stand is not helping them.