These people don’t even consider by mistake the impact that their childish retaliation has on the environment, I find it deeply depressing
My first tought. Dickheads.
Except the wealthy are going to be fucking the environment regardless. If we can lock up their wealth in buying new furniture, that might rpevent them from buying a new yacht this year.
There is no possible way for me to generate a signifcant amount of pollution, whereas a single one of these fuckers generates as much as a million americans. If you guys arent going to take stopping them seriously, then pissing them off is the only morally correct decision.
General strikes, rent strikes and boycotts are far more effective ways to lock up wealth. The possible downside is that if you’re reliant on investments, those are gonna take a hit too. I’m ok with this, but my parents won’t be.
God forbid your 2 ton hunk of metal doesn’t get free storage everywhere you go.
While I do agree that cars take up far too much space, charging a guest for parking is a bit of a dick move under most circumstances.
Edit: How much of one depends on circumstance. A dense city with a public transit system is a much different beast than a more inaccessible area. The hotel next to the conference center two tram stops from a park-and-ride has a pretty damn good case for charging for parking.
While I do agree that cars take up far too much space, charging a guest for parking is a bit of a dick move under most circumstances.
They always charge for parking, the difference is in whether they just charge the people that actually show up in a two ton tin can, or just charge everybody regardless of how they got there, in which case it’s just worked into the price of the room.
Whether visible on the bill or not, there’s no scenario where the price of the land your hotel sits on doesn’t factor into the price of your stay.
Which to me also leaves zero moral space for retaliatory b.s. like keeping the water running or destorying furniture.
It still takes up space, that you either have to rent/buy extra as hotel or can’t use for more sensible stuff. If anything, if parking is free, everybody is paying the fee even if you don’t use parking.
Yes. It’s truly infurating how non car owners are forced to subsidize the ever loving shit out pretty much every aspect of car ownership, and then ignorant car brains have the nerve to complain about a small parking fee or gas prices, all while their mode of transportation is pretty much uniquely responsible for unimaginable death, injury, and ecological destruction.
Yeah, charging for hotel parking in NYC, DC, or a dense part of Seattle is an entirely different beast from charging for it in Montana or the outskirts of a national park. The question comes down to if it’s reasonable for you to have gotten there without a car and if it’s reasonable for you to get around where you’re going without one. For places where not having a car with you is unreasonable a parking fee feels like a hidden fee for everyone, where for somewhere you probably flew into and can take public transit around it’s charging for an extra amenity.
That parking lot could have been another freaking hotel instead of car storage, and you’re saying it should be free.
Yep I am.
Most hotels would have a good case to charge for parking if we had things like land value taxes.
Charging for limited stuff makes sense, otherwise the hotel would need as many parking spots as it has beds
While I do agree that cars take up far too much space, charging a guest for parking is a bit of a dick move under most circumstances.
It’s really not. Most of the time this is because the local jurisdiction taxes parking in some way, and as is always the case in the US, the local business isn’t going to absorb those fees.
Either pay for parking directly, or pay for it in the cost of the room regardless if you parked or not.
Sadly people seem to struggle with thinking in terms that aren’t black and white. A position like yours seems to blow their mind.
There are so many places in the US that are functionally impossible to travel to, without some very expensive and impractical transit.
Hotels charge parking to make extra money. They need you to drive to them for vacation, otherwise they would go out of buisness
the average hotel stay is not for vacation, it’s for work. monday-friday morning is primarily workers, friday-sun morning are usually the vacationers/visitors/etc. resorts and stuff? all vacation all the time. but your local hilton? not so much
Oh I feel that too, traveled for work so much in 1 year I managed to get top rewards for a chain.
The hotels that charged parking were the ones we rarely stayed at and typically were in more touristy areas. The hotel right off the interstate didn’t charge for parking. Honestly most hotels don’t charge parking
For a hotel in the US, Yes.
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It’s time to stop subsidizing parking spaces. Their land use is actually really expensive and that burden should be on those using the land for storing tons of metal, not cross-financed by those choosing more sustainable means of transport.
All sorts of comments here are missing the real problem: businesses had a chance to do online meetings. But they dont. So they send people everywhere, staying in hotels, driving up the costs, charging them for parking because they can.
The fallout is everyone pays more. It isn’t just people on vacation paying for this.
Yep, my job just got done with another round of layoffs for “cost cutting”. But you better believe we still have those twice yearly off sites where they fly a few hundred people all over the globe over the course of a year to “get face time”.
Only fans doesn’t substitute for sex work.
If you dont believe me, ask your mom.
Becauae she’s a lovely woman who wouldnt lie to her favorite, beloved son.
Unless she getting paid, then she pulling them dentures out and sucking ass like a snake bit it.
Just kidding!
…That’s really more your dads thing…
online meetings suck. especially if they are larger than 6-12 people.
face to face meetings are superior to every way. they provide opportunity for networking and are more productive.
there is a reason we are going back to in-person events. they are simple superior in terms of outcomes and opportunities.
what a bold statement
face to face meeting absolutely fucking suck for technical presentations where multiple people are sharing designs and looking at spec sheets etc.
face to face meetings are superior to every way.
No they are not. If they are for you, you are doing them wrong. They are huge time wasters, and energy wasters.
Face to Face with family? Fine. With work? A jerk off session to spend money on travel. So much wasted time.
The worst offender though? Hybrid. They suck the most of all.
Right, let me go tell the network of expert medical researchers I work with how ‘stupid and dumb’ they are for wanting face to face meetings.
those ignorant fools, clearly YOU, some random bozo on the internet, know better than they do how best to collaborate on their work.
Oooh, an appeal to authority! You have experts on your side!? How can the poor internet people even hope to compete with such intellectual prowess?? You don’t even need to state why those experts believe that to convince everyone else!
it’s so funny how many lemmy experts know nothing about how the real world works.
i suppose you think we should just get rid of in person learning too right? just stick kids in front of computer screens at home! it will totalyl work so well!
oh wait… we did that, and it did tons of damage to those kids…
You’re right, those poor expert medical researchers won’t learn how to socialize without in person conferences giving them exposure to other people!
What other plans do I have that will backfire in the most horrible ways??
Expert medical researchers, they need face time to do what exactly? I call bullshit. Of course they want face time. Per diem, a hotel stay, frequent flyer miles, all the perks.
BULLSHIT they cant do their work without. And if they can’t they really do not know how to do their job.
but they really want to be able to socalize…
socializing is literally how reserach and any science is done.
nobody is isolated in a room when they do research. they do it with other people.
And so much of it is basically impossible to do with scheduled calls. People have tried making video call software to replicate in-person interaction dynamics, but none of them helped for the labs I worked in.
- When you’re discussing in person, conversations naturally split up into separate conversations each with their own interested participants.
- If you’re no longer interested in something, you can temporarily tune out and listen in on a different nearby conversation to gauge whether you want to move to a different group.
- Video call softwares have introduced breakout rooms, but you need to leave a room to enter another. You can’t just quickly scan the room with your ears and pick out another topic you want to talk about. You also can’t do this scan without signaling to current participants that you might not want to talk to them.
- There was another that created a virtual 2D room where you can walk around and get proximity chat, but things just get too noisy because you don’t get directional audio.
- Calls require scheduling and lack flexibility. Compared to an in person conference where the plan is basically just being around other researchers and interacting with them for the whole day. If it were remote, you would have to book calls to fill up your day and you can’t just decide to drop something because you’re tired and need some time to recover. If you schedule a call, you’re expected to be at the call.
- Scheduled calls come with much higher expectations. You don’t generally go into a call to exchange three minutes of small talk and hang up. You’re expected to know ahead of time that this is someone you want to talk to and what you want to talk about with this person. In person meetings let you go through this small talk process with multiple people to find the ones who share your research interests.
- Body language communicates a lot too, especially in this search process. Get enough experience with this and you have a much higher chance of picking out people who are of a compatible form of neuro-spicy.
- Considering that so many researchers are neurodivergent in some way, planning specific activities helps a lot as social lubricant. Going out for drinks as an evening activity is fairly standard at all conferences I’ve attended. There’s one guy who always organizes morning runs. Sometimes, we chat over board games. Etc.
you call bullshit because you don’t do collaborative work that is spread out across multiple sites.
nor do you understand how much is lost by zooming and how limited it’s functionality and productivity is.
collaborative work that is spread out across multiple sites.
Yeah. I do.
collaborative work spread across multiple sites is exactly why online meetings are so much more effective in my industry
Lol this is the stupidest shit I’ve heard online in awhile. When did LinkedIn become part of the fediverse?
to share their results and collaborate and figure out new possibilities for research by reviewing each other’s work and talking about it.
So they are reading each others work, reviewing it and talking about it.
And this has to be in person how? And how much more work would be done if it was asynchronous?
You know how many scientists in various fields work remotely?
There are fields where work has to take place where you are, for example you can’t do archaeology from afar. But you can meet with archaeologists all over the world to discuss findings. And a huge portion of that work is done by reading the papers. So most of the collaboration is clarification and questioning anyways.
No. they discuss it. in a group. person to person. with other researchers from across the country and practitioners, and lawyers, and drug makers.
just like they do their studies involve 100s and 1000s of people.
no, you tell them that
I’m an expert in my field. I say online meetings are better
Fuck you dudes get a bike. Or Uber when traveling.
And stop using x.
And while I have your attention, dont forget to brush and floss tonight.
The root problem here is car dependency.
Capitalism creates helplessness in order to exploit it.
Of all the extra fees, parking fees seem like some of the most sensible…
When cars are sacred :)
Honestly, hotels are the one place where I think parking should be free (included in the price, anyway).
I stay there when I’m traveling. There’s a decent chance it’s either a road trip or I’m flying somewhere and probably renting a car to get around. I don’t make a habit of staying at hotels near my home.
There’s a bunch of places where you go in your own city, those make more sense to have paid parking because you could more reasonably use public transit or walk.
When parking is included in the price, people who visit without a car pay for a service they don’t use.
Of course if literally no one arrives without a car, then it’s easiest and most transparent to include it.Yep. Plus, if my group carpools but sleeps in multiple rooms, we only have to pay 1 parking fee. If the fee is included then we’d pay per room instead of per vehicle.
It’s a hotel, most people would arrive by car unless it’s downtown in a big city (good case for paid parking)
If you are talking about North America, then that might be true. But a lot of other countries have extensive train systems where even ruraler places are well connected. Add hotels close to bike trails and you’ve got two two examples of people not necessarily arriving by car.
Trouble with trains is you’d likely have to take multiple trains (unless heading to a major city) with a bunch of luggage. I find it easier to drive, my car could easily fit an entire family’s luggage and it’s not even an SUV. So can a rental if I’m going multiple countries away and therefore flying. On a train I’d just be a hindrance to everyone else with a luggage and a toddler that’s got the energy levels of a thermonuclear bomb.
If I’m paying for your train (via taxes), you can pay for my parking (via an extra euro per day in your hotel cost).
Out of town I can understand getting upset, but city centre hotels usually only have tiny car parks, if any at all.
One of those nuanced things the internet doesn’t do very well at, I feel.
I propose a compromise: Parking is free, but there’s a discount if you don’t need car storage space.
how is this different?
Reframing is helpful.
this is literally the same thing
Exactly. “Free parking” is a fucking ridiculous concept. It’s just making others pay for it.
Are you unfamiliar with what “reframing” means?
Touché, I see what you mean now.
See? Reframing 😁
Psychologically different, humans are loss averse, being charged for something they feel is normal behavior leads to them acting out. Not winning a discount because it’s not worth it is easier to accept. Same bottom line, different behavior outcomes
Because then the price to stay isn’t falsely advertised.
There’s a beefeater (UK pub/restaurant chain) in my town that recently made their car park pay and display. Their customers have resorted to parking on the grass verges and pavements leading up to the building, causing safety issues (blocking views of turning onto a 50 road, covering pavement and forcing pedestrians into the road; that sort of thing).
I’m sure if the local council started charging them for the damage caused to the green, or even the damage caused by accidents due to their customers choice of parking, the car parking fee would quickly disappear.
Tbh, I’m surprised it hasn’t already. Their car park is always empty now, so it’s not generating revenue, and they used to have double the amount of cars you see round there now… so my guess is people fucked off somewhere else, and this attempt at squeezing just resulted in a permanent loss of regular revenue
Yeah we have tons of empty beachfront parking lots around here too because people don’t want to pay to park. Instead people park their cars up along the local streets. And even if you do pay to park there, the law requires the lot to be empty by 7pm, so nobody wants to fucking park there even if they pay. Beachfront parking lots are a tragic waste of nature space.
I have a theory add ons like this are a result of the way we buy things online. When buying online you can sort stuff by lowest price first. Businesses want to make it to the top of the list so you are presented with the bare bones product, add ons come later. Same with buying airline tickets. Luggage, meals and movies used to be included, not no more.
Passive-aggressive bullshit, brought on by emotional immaturity, and social anxiety.
Fucking children running around in adult bodies.
always baffles me how people would pay 100s per night for a hotel and then act like an extra 10 bucks to park is TOO FAR.
I’m always baffled by how cheap most parking is, outside of private garages for event spaces that are jacked up for suburbanites when they come into the city, that’s the only time it seems expensive to me, and yet they are always full so clearly they aren’t pricing it too high.
Where can I get hotel parking for 10?
I am happy when its only 50. I am seeing 100 at a lot of places now.
One particular hotel I was in recently had no other option, even though they had a car garage that was all by itself, in other words no one else was going to use it.
$85 a day. Stayed a week. No discounts for a weeks stay.
i’ve never paid more than 10-15 for hotel parking. but i’m not getting hotel rooms in dense urban cores as a tourist.
yeah if you are getting a hotel in manhattan or similar, you would expect to pay $50 a day or more. that’s the same as it would be for any day-garage. where i live downtown parking is 75 a day, and that’s still underpriced. you can park at a subway stop for $5 and take the subway into town if you don’t want to pay downtime prices. or ride the commuter rail.
lots of tourists in my city book a room in the 'burbs and commute in, because it’s cheaper. you want a premium experience, you pay premimum prices. downtown hotel rooms in my city are 350-500 a night, and more during peak travel weeks.
More like extra $50.
A small knife can take away some of the caulk around the bathtub if you like to play the long game.
Is that an X.com ad or what!
Based on all of those “Trivago” commercials I’ve seen I can only conclude that the whole hotel industry is a scam, trying to trick you into giving them more money than what the room is worth.
the room is worth what people are willing to pay for it. if it was too expensive it would be vacant.
“Whatever the rube will pay” is not a good business model. I wonder about the vacancy rate in hotels and motels across and throughout the land, not just when there is an “event” close by.
That assumes information symmetry.
Good lord, the amount of people who are unwilling to state what their issue is and actually take an action that will change the problem is ridiculous. Nothing suggested in the comments or the post will ever make a connection in the minds of the hotel’s owners or managers. You’ll add to their bottom line, sure, but the hotel going out of business isn’t necessarily a good thing, considering the building will sit there for a few years, be sold to another chain, and reopen. The other hotels in the area are probably charging the same parking fee, or just folding it into their total cost. Maybe since the first hotel closed, they’ll get to tack on more fees with less competition. You’ve accomplished nothing except adding more waste to the junkyard/garbage dump.
Get your ass onto a review site, clearly explain what you’re annoyed with, and state you won’t be going back. Go to another review site, repeat. Repeate. Repeatay. One, it makes the issue clearly visible to other people who might now choose to stay elsewhere, and two, it costs the hotel the same (well, maybe the same) amount of money but now they have an incentive to change whatever it is that annoyed you because of people choosing to stay elsewhere until it’s changed.
I’m a big fan of weaponizing hotel reviews. I review almost every hotel room I stay in, and I’m brutally honest. I say what I like, but I also say what I don’t like. I’m not picky, I only expect a comfortable bed, a clean room, a clean operational bathroom, and an operational TV. If any of those are off, it’s a problem, and it’s going into the review.
It’s surprising how many motels don’t have operational TVs any more. I recently had a run of three motels in a row with non-working TVs.
I expect the bare minimum, that’s all. Fuck up the bare minimum, and I’m going to savage you.
Hotels blame their bad reviews on the employees. Once worked at a hotel that blamed the front desk for the bad reviews the hotel got because of a burst water main.
That ain’t just hotels, my friend. That’s standard executive practice. They teach that in business school. It’s ALWAYS the employees’ fault.
I actually left a good review recently when I had to stay somewhere and only had the laptop. Their IT fellow was super helpful in helping me connect to the internet, despite my inexperience with the linux side of internet connection issues.
I leave good, even great reviews, when warranted. I especially like to call out employees by name, when they’ve done something extra for me. That way, even corporate sees it, in case they have that manger who takes credit for everything.
I prefer to leave good reviews, but a bad review is somewhat satisfying after a bad stay.
