• Safeguard@beehaw.org
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        Hamas is a result of hoe Israël has been handling the issue for decades now.

        I’m not saying Hamas is fine, great, innocent or anything. Far from it. But the blame is on both sides.

      • So we’re blindly accepting hamas death tolls now? People never learn

        People never seem to learn their reputation in this regard before making comments such as yours.

        One snippet out of a lengthy article.

        Many experts consider figures provided by the ministry reliable, given its access, sources and accuracy in past statements.

        “Everyone uses the figures from the Gaza Health Ministry because those are generally proven to be reliable,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “In the times in which we have done our own verification of numbers for particular strikes, I’m not aware of any time which there’s been some major discrepancy.”

        Shakir said Human Rights Watch would not use figures provided by parties with “a propensity to misrepresent information.”

        Why news outlets and the U.N. rely on Gaza’s Health Ministry for death tolls

        And another:

        Throughout four wars and numerous bloody skirmishes between Israel and Hamas, U.N. agencies have cited the Health Ministry’s death tolls in regular reports. The International Committee of the Red Cross and Palestinian Red Crescent also use the numbers.

        In the aftermath of war, the U.N. humanitarian office has published final death tolls based on its own research into medical records.

        In all cases the U.N.’s counts have largely been consistent with the Gaza Health Ministry’s, with small discrepancies.

        — 2008 war: The ministry reported 1,440 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 1,385.

        — 2014 war: The ministry reported 2,310 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 2,251.

        — 2021 war: The ministry reported 260 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 256.

        What is Gaza’s Ministry of Health and how does it calculate the war’s death toll?

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      Nearly half of these are childrens. It is true that Hamas is a terrorist organization that keeps the population hostage, but terrorism cannot be combated by indiscriminately bombing the population, schools and hospitals, causing thousands of deaths as “collateral damage” to catch perhaps 2-3 terrorists. This is what makes the Israeli government terrorists just like Hamas.

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        Hamas is a terrorist organization that keeps the population hostage

        Israel has kept the population hostage since even before Hamas won a free and fair election in 2006, and in retaliation, for the last 16 years Israel made their imprisonment even more draconian.

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        Stop calling Hamas terrorists. They won a fair election, and they are the sole reason Palestine has not been fully erased until now. If not for them, USA would have assisted and got Zionist colonisation project done long ago.

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            Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information for geopolitics that has the possibility to say anything against Anglo (or Anglo-Saxon) countries or their key vassal states like Israel or Japan (also Hongkong until 2019 CIA funded riots, and Ukraine from 2022-2024).

            My long term friend is a Palestinian, and Hamas being the only line of their defense is critical to their existence, until Palestine is liberated, rolled back to the UN partition guidelines, and Palestinians allowed to form a strong independent military that can thrash US-funded IDF terrorists.

            If you think Hamas is detached from Palestine, simply put, either you are idiot or dishonest towards the cause of liberation of Palestine. You are a victim of reactionary Western propaganda.