it’s weird how the same console would have still worked fine if it were modded and had pirated games on it
It is the only way it would have worked fine. Sony cant step out of this minefield of bad press lol
The dickhead replying is so fucking dumb. If the console was physically broken in any way, then the discussion could be about planned obsolescence or regular wear and tear or how it was stored. But the console DID survive. It did “resume back to normal”, but it is artificially rendered worthless by the company.
We could talk about how long a console should physically last, with issues like the red ring of death being an example of them not lasting long enough, but the idea that Sony says you didn’t play frequently enough so you no longer own the things you paid for is absurd.
the bootlickery
I haven’t used my PS2 in about 20 years, and know for a fact that I could hook it up and play Jak and Daxter today with a single hdmi adapter.
Who wouldn’t? It’s such a weird thing to assume it shouldn’t just work (assuming no hardware failure at least).
If I turn on a PC from 10 years ago it’ll boot up and run the applications installed on it.
Gen Z grew up in this broken world. They don’t know any better. They don’t understand what it means to own something.
That’s the plan, actually.
Many Gen Z grew up with Wii’s and Xbox’s which used physical media. I was never allowed to own an Xbox, but I did have a Wii. I think a lot of us have memories of putting in game CDs. The cutoff for that might be Gen Alpha.
Could be.
Specific age boundaries aside, the younger people are, the less experience they have of owning physical things, and the stranger the world as it used to be sounds to them. They live in a curated world of continually obsoleted technology they don’t own fed a diet of propaganda pushing technology and its proponents as saviors and not oppressors.
Yeah, there’s definitely a range. I’m gen z and we never really had game consoles, so I grew up mostly gaming on a Mac (do not recommend, although I think the translation layer situation has improved since then). I also have memories of putting in tapes, cartridges, and floppy disks to my parents’ old Atari and Commodore computers (both of which actually worked great after having not been used for like >30 years)
Gen Z is a wide spectrum.
I started on the PS1 and I am Gen Z
Because we’ve been conditioned to think that putting in a disc means a quick 5GB update to install…come back in 20 min
It’s been incremental but the landscape of gaming is now a casino with games, not games with betting.
If 40 year old consoles can resume back to normal, so should 10 year old consoles.
However, it should be noted that the PS3 is now 20 years old.
the PS3 is now 20 years old
OutRAGEOUS misinformation…
It may have been 10 years old back in the olden days. Perhaps we need a historian or archeologist to weigh in.
The only thing they feel is the weight of aeons past on their backs
And there have only been two new consoles in the past twenty years*
Might’ve used it until 2016, that was just three years after release of the PS4.
It could have been booted up for the first time in 10 years at any point in the previous 10 years.
Uhh… Yes I do expect it to resume back to normal. Why the fuck wouldn’t it?
Sure, if I connect it to the internet I expect all sorts to updates to be missing. But offline? 1 day or 100 years shouldn’t make any difference. OK the CMOS battery might be flat.
OK the CMOS battery might be flat.
Arent they mostly flat to begin with? Sorry… I couldn’t help it.
YOUR MOM IS MOSTLY FLAT TO BEGIN WITH.
Not once I’m done with her.
This is the content I come to Lemmy for.
@Eh_I@lemmy.world, selflessly patching and inflating leaking mothers everywhere. Do you offer maternal rotation and balancing as well?
Thank you, she’s been trying to lose weight recently
Maybe she should stop eating batteries.
They are too energy-dense.
The case in the tweet wasn’t a hardware problem. Apparently the person’s PSN account had gotten deleted during their 10+ years of not using it, and downloaded games attached to the account didn’t work any more.
That’s still a pretty big fucking problem.
Yeah, but playing a physical copy of a game would be a fairer comparison to older systems.
Imagine if some Sony executive broke into your house and stole the games off your shelf because you hadn’t played them for a long time. Thats what happened here.
It never happens to a pirated game I heard
if its not theft for them to steal your games away from you, then its not piracy to download their games.
And
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the account shouldn’t have been deleted
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the account being deleted shouldn’t stop the downloaded games from working.
Both are Sony’s fault
especially considering your account takes up…what…a few dozen megabytes at most? its nothing but a database with what games you bought digitally.
its 100% purely an attempt to get customers to double dip on buying shit by exploiting changes in life that take people away from their recreation.
have a elderly relative take a bad turn and suddenly need 24/7 care? According to Sony, thats a great, monetizable event.
suffer a terrible injury that takes you years to recover? Sony’s Salivating over the potential of taking everything away from you, so you can buy it again to relive the “good days”
have to join the military and spend years from home? Your trauma is dolladolladollar signs for Sony’s executive department.
Even for accounts that haven’t gone inactive, I’m sure they’ve considered disabling games for older generation games. “Continuing to play PS4 games rather than buying a PS5 is theft!!!”
Yep… the capitalistic Ouroboros is coming around to the back of its own head, so long term stability and profits no longer matter, all that matters is maximizing short term profits…at any cost.
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This has to be a troll, right? 10 years is nothing. Heck, my 12-year-old laptop still runs most games being published on Steam to this day.
I bought my NES with my own money in 1988ish after saving up for months. If I go downstairs and power it on right now, I’m certain Tetris will fire right up.
I am less certain. Cartridges dont exactly age well. I had enough trouble with them in the 90s.
I dont mean to defend not owning our games, just saying cartridges were not perfect either.
Those carts are made to last. The bits on those ROMs will outlast DVDs burned decades later.
I’ve had the batteries die in carts with save functionality but I’ve never had a cartridge itself stop working. Maybe I’ve been lucky.
“You expect the things you paid for and bought to still be there later?”
Yes, you corporate nut sucking fuck nugget, I do.
Your way with words is beautiful
I try 🩷
Yes.
If it have a blue-checkmark - just ignore it’s opinion.
It’s amazing anything legible comes out when he’s so busy presenting himself for corporate dong
| You expect a 10yr old console to resume back to normal?
Yes? I recently considered trading in my old Xbox 360, but when I booted it up I discovered I still had around a hundred games still stored locally.
After the wave of nostalgia subsided, I realized how lucky I was. Keeping that bad boy forever.
Weeelllllllll… until it red rings at least.
Luckily, it’s one of the cases which can be fixed with a little oven time
thats a temporary bandaid that can shorten the life of other things on the board.
its been years, but IIRC the only actual fix for the issue, besides getting an xbox 360 slim, was to have someone with the tools and know how remove and reball the CPU and GPU with good quality leaded solder.
SNES/GBA game saves erasing due to batteries 😭
You’re telling me I’m going to have to replace the batteries and replay chrono trigger and Pokémon emerald again? Oh the horror
Pokemon Emerald’s battery is only there for real time clock functions. Saves remain intact even after the battery runs dry.
Gen I and II games used the battery for save data, however.
Yeah you’re right. Bad example.
Looking at the list on Console Mods I’m actually surprised how many GBA games do use a save battery when a lot of games clearly didn’t need it for saves. Did the battery allow for faster saving, or maybe just cheaper cartridges?
It was a cost/availability thing. SRAM was used all over the place prior to the GBA (and for some early GBA games) because FRAM and flash memory was expensive at the capacities needed.
Funnily enough, most games that use SRAM can have the chip swapped out for an FRAM chip, and they will no longer need a battery. (Actually you move the ROM chip from the SRAM board to the FRAM board) The two types of RAM present identically to the game’s software, so it just works.
The Pokemon games use Flash RAM with 2x-4x the capacity of the SRAM and FRAM chips most other games used. There was also EEPROM for games with small save files.
Just play on an emulator. Save states anywhere you want.
If you have VR, I highly recommend EmuVR for all console emulator needs.
Plopping yourself on the ground in front of an actual CRT is such a different and incomparably better experience than playing them on flat LcD screens, it really pleasantly suprised me.
I’m guessing the VR applies some type of CRT like filter to the virtual CRT? Or is it just a nostalgia thing?
Kind of both. It’s basically a frontend for emulators, where you are in a most archetypal 80s room, with a large CRT TV that runs the emulator, and you get all your roms as physical discs/cartriges on your shelf, with emu cores being actual consoles you connect to the TV, put a disk/cartridge in, and then you can sit in front of the TV and play.
It’s extremely immersive, the games feel so much better on an “actual” CRT TV.
https://youtu.be/73XVOeRuu9A?t=237 It’s not as apparent in 2D without VR, but you can get an idea at this timestamp.
That sounds awesome!
It also gives me some mod ideas like virtual parents telling you to turn the console off if you play too long :P
And with how small most save files are, you can even store them in a folder on a cloud service without taking much space. So if something happens to your computer for drive with your legally backed up personal cartridge and disc images… You still have those save files.
It sucks when you borrow a friend’s SNES and didn’t realize that was a problem and their saves suddenly disappear (along with your current playthrough on a different save file) and you worried you somehow did something to cause it.
GBA? The kids these days. I have an original Zelda cart for the NES that still holds save data.
My Atari VCS (this was before they were calling it the “2600”) was manufactured in 1978. It’s 48 years old, and if I slap E.T. into that son of a bitch, it plays.
if I slap E.T. into that son of a bitch, it plays.
But why would you do that?
When the attempt to show video games are still alive instead kills them again.
To be contrarian.
the og atari and nes were video game consoles.
a ‘modern’ console is just a required hardware device to access a subscription service and game rentals falsely advertised as purchases.
My only dead battery so far is Final Fantasy NES!
I have a Rev B gold Zelda cart for NES and I am curious its battery state. But my NES was lost in time.
If I drop an RPG for a month I have difficulty picking back up my ongoing savegame. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to continue a 30 year old savegame.
I’m mostly referring to completed saves of Kirby and DKC-franchise. The first is a collection of games you have to unlock, so if you just wanted to play in the arena mode, then you’d have to play through a whole lot more just to unlock it.
But it’s still playable
Weren’t the batteries in GBA cartdriges only for the clock?
Oh, saves are saved on the cartridge, not the console? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Nearly every cartridge-based system up to the 3DS saves to the cartridge. But many older cartridge games from that era (SNES, GBC, sometimes GBA) used volatile SRAM that needs to be constantly powered with an internal battery. When the battery dies, the save is wiped and it can no longer hold a save, though you can always open the cart up and replace the battery.
Oh, cool, TIL. Even though I had a lot of handhelds, I never actually noticed that.
And what people will do for a save game they really care about (like childhood Pokémon carts) is back up the save onto PC, replace the battery in the cart, then put the save back onto the cart. Very clever. I want to get one of the readers that lets you back up carts, they’re not that expensive
Still have a slim PS2 and wouldn’t you know it, it still plays all the games I bought for it.
Amazing. Maybe we could reverse-engineer it and figure out how the ancients achieved this technology.
But that would be communism!
It was achieved by emblazoning the games on to sacred discs.
I put a hard drive in mine, now it also plays the games I didn’t bought for it!
