Summary

Following Donald Trump’s recent election victory, Google searches for “4B,” a South Korean feminist movement advocating a “no sex, no dating, no marriage, no children” stance, surged in the U.S.

The 4B movement, popular among young women on social media, promotes individual resistance against conservative politics and the erosion of reproductive rights.

The trend reflects a broader ideological divide between young men and women in the U.S., where women under 30 are significantly more liberal than men.

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      8 days ago

      I don’t think anyone involved thinks she’s talking about every single young man. Well, except you, of course

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        Now he’s just worried that they’re talking about him. Which they probably are considering his immediate defensive reaction.

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          Jesus Fucking Christ, do we literally have to have women say things like:

          “Young men – not all, just some, well in some areas most, but a lot of young men – expect…”

          This tiptoeing bullshit to not anger some fragile men is insane. I lived as a straight man for over 40 years and this new idea that men are somehow put upon whenever a woman brings up being objectified, or has an issues with interactions with /takes a breath some, but not all, just a large amount, enough to be traumatizing, particularly as it’s systemic to the patriarchy, men.

          This is ridiculous semantic bullshit in response to women feeling like objects and pushing back.

          We’re better than this, and I’m tired of watching us act absolutely horrible whenever women point out systemic, extremely frequent issues they have with men, and have to inch around it so as to not break our fragile egos.

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            Women need to say, “Well, not every man is a rapist, but every person who raped me was a man, amd when I tried to speak up, almost every man told me he needed more evidence, that was an extreme claim that could ruin that man’s life, and when I tried to call police, they were made also of men who also rape and commit domestic violence at high rates, and when I went to court the judge was a Trump appointeee… So I guess really no men are rapists because the system doesn’t allow us to label them. Or maybe that makes all of you dangerous.”

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              I teared up a bit reading your comment, I’m so sorry you all go through this, and continue to go through this.

              The worst part is a lot of the men saying this shit, even here in this thread, consider themselves ‘Leftist’. They know it’s the wealthy causing fighting amongst the poors to distract, and yet still these men fall for it. They think there’s some ‘women’s agenda’ coming for them and never once look back and think to themselves ‘wow, thank god they want equality and not revenge.’

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            I agree. It’s like the whole “Not all men” deal: nitpicking the details of the phrasing instead of tackling the root issue. You’re only fighting those symptoms that affect you directly, not the root cause.

            The day I have someone yelling in my face that I’m to blame for some other man’s rape is the day I’ll argue about that issue. Until then, let’s focus on the actual problem: In this case (some) young men being pieces of garbage.

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            Just the word “most” or “some” would avoid this whole conversation. Why does it have to come to this every time?

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              Why does it have to come to this every time?

              I don’t know, why do men require people to use extra words not to hurt their feelings?

              “Young men expect sex, but they also want us to not be able to have access to abortion,” Thomas told The Post. “They can’t have both. Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.”

              See, they even included parts like that, and still people are here whining about it.

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                My feelings aren’t hurt by the presence of people who hate me.

                But I will call a spade a spade. A person too lazy to add the word “some” to their statement does hate all men. Can’t be bothered with a syllable to honor them, and that’s hate.

            • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.world
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              Just the ones who conform to my incredibly contemptuous description of them (a majority of white women apparently).

              Going to need an attribution there, champ.

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                What kind of attribution do I need? I’m only talking about the ones who fit the description. Seems to me like trump voters fit that description but hey, if I’m wrong no biggy. After all I am only talking about the ones that do. Can’t you just infer that?

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                  What kind of attribution do I need?

                  Just the ones who conform to my incredibly contemptuous description of them (a majority of white women apparently).

                  That one, what the fuck?

                  Can’t you just infer that?

                  NO. No we can’t just ‘infer’ this.

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      It doesn’t seem generalized at all to me.

      • A series of laws are passed that make this thing riskier.
      • Do less of the risky thing.
      • Make it clear why.

      What’s the problem?

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        Hmm so this movement excludes men that want abortion to be available then? Missed that.

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          I think the subtext implies that you can have sex with people that don’t suck. This is the female counterpart to, “don’t stick your dick in crazy”.

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            Did really some of the American women need for Trump to be elected twice before learning this? Isn’t this supposed to be common sense, not just only for women?

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                Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t understand why a movement is necessary to understand that you shouldn’t have sex with people that, in your opinion, suck

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              Taking into context that it’s to protest people against reproductive rights, I take it that it’s to punish and withhold specifically from those people.

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                That is mentioned nowhere in this argument. But the credo of the movement is:

                No sex. No dating. No marrying men. No children.

                This sounds pretty intentionally absolute in nature

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                  A quote taken right from the article, “They can’t have both. Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.”

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          It’s about risk management, first and foremost.

          I suppose you might get a second look from a 4B-practitioner if you had a vasectomy (i.e. to remove the risk of pregnancy), but I’m a man so I can only speculate on this. And of course this isn’t such a great option if you do plan to have kids some day. Then again, despite the anti-abortion rhetoric of “don’t have sex if you aren’t ready to reproduce”, planned pregnancies are much more dangerous under abortion bans.

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          Would you mind saying what you mean here? I’d like for you to explain your thought a little more.

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            I’m responding to “it doesn’t seem generalized at all”. If that were the case it would not be a movement based on absolutes that apply to all men

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              It most certainly doesn’t exclude anyone unless you think someone refusing to have sex with you is an act of exclusion.

              Most of all of us are refusing to have sex with you at this very moment.

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                This seems to assume that I’m concerned this will impact me. I’m not, at all. Not slightly. It wouldn’t even impact me if I were even single, which I’m not.

                I could probably put out an ad on Craigslist offering to pay someone like this for an interview and still never meet such a person or even get an email back about it.

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                  It seems that way because I chose to say “you”, which is my bad. I meant it in the broader sense though, most of us are choosing not to sleep with the rest of us, most of the time.

                  There is no added exclusion to that just because some of us become more firm in refusing to, and give reasons why.

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      It’s talking about people who support trump. But you can’t only target them as people will just hide their political views to get laid.