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    Weird how the people shooting up substations aren’t being charged with terrorism…

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    OK, actually this quite fits the definition of terrorism by the FBI:

    Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

    Personally I think that this definition sucks. If I steal an egg to make a statement against capitalism this might as well be considered terrorism. For reference I looked up the German definition of terrorism and I think that this definition is much better(translated with deeply since I’m lazy):

    Terrorism is the sustained fight for political goals that are to be achieved with the help of attacks on the life, limb and property of other people, in particular through serious criminal offences such as those listed in Section 129a (1) of the German Criminal Code (StGB) or through other criminal offences that serve to prepare such offences.

    The main difference is, that this definition only includes high level crimes and it also states that there has to be an active fight against some form of political system. I wouldn’t be to sure if the murder of the UHC CEO would be considered terrorism under the German definition. The reason I’m not so sure is, because I wouldn’t count one assassination an active prolonged fight(take this with a grain of salt, I’m not a lawyer or have any serious knowledge on the law).

    Don’t understand me wrong, I also think that calling this is bullshit, I just want to inform you, that this isn’t anything they made out of thin air.

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      Ever notice how anyone fighting the status quo (even actual rebels in a state of war) are always called terrorists?

      It’s a way to condemn by association (and dehumanise), as well as use all the anti-terror legal loopholes against you.

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        Pirates and emperors

        The emperor imprisons thr pirate and berates him for thr violent chaos he was perpetuating against his empire . Calling him a pirate and a terrorist

        Thr pirate replies "you do the same things to your own people and foreigners. When I burn down a house you call it terrorism. When you do it. You call it thr cost of war.

        My actions are vilified because I’m a pirate. Your actions are excused because you’re an emperor

        … or something like that

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    You know the difference between knowing and understanding something?

    Well I feel like I just went from knowing to understanding that I live in a fascist state.

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    Well, look at that. We finally found what is needed to have a white “terrorist” instead of “someone with issues”: just target ultra rich people.

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      I think the difference in nomenclature may be down to how close the actions are to affecting real change.

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        Nah. Terrorism is a term exclusively reserved in the West for when rich people suffer consequences at the hands of those significantly poorer than them.

        It is a completely valid, justifiable, and effective form of asymmetric warfare.

        The ruling class wants to create the narrative that the only people who are allowed to fight back are those who spend lots of money, further enriching them in the process.

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    The irony is that this was done to score propaganda points, but, and especially if Luigi keeps arguing the manifesto was fake and planted on him, this will make it harder for the charges to stick.

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      How can you even prove it was planted. Its your word against the cops and well, we may know cops are lying but the court won’t care.

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        The way the law works in this country is they have to prove the evidence wasn’t planted more than the Defense needs to prove it was.

        Ken Penders insisting Archie’s contract with him was forged was enough to win him publishing rights even with Ken’s track record as a liar.

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        It’s a disposable gun. Muad’dib wouldn’t have carried it across state lines, he’d have dumped it. The cops found it, and planted it on Luigi.

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    And now the words “terrorist” and “hero” have become synonymous, undoing decades of 9/11 imperialist propaganda in one fell swoop.

    I mean I wish. But a man can dream.

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      Hopefully this should open some eyes, but 9/11 was literally America’s version of the recent invasion in Israel.

      If anyone reads Osama Bin Laden’s manifesto, he explicitly states that Western support for Israel is one of the main reasons for the attack.

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        Yeah. I remember as a kid wondering why they would attack the states like that and my parents and every other adult I asked have different versions of “they hate our freedom” or “they’re Muslim extremists and want everyone who isn’t Muslim to die.” I live in Canada so I can only imagine how much worse it was in the US. To me, even as a child of 11 years old, that sounded far fetched and didn’t make much sense. Once the internet became popular I looked it up and realized it wasn’t as black and white, good vs evil as all that. Honestly that’s one of the things that made me start seeing the US as an evil country and start realizing what imperialism was and how horrific it was for the world.

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    If he can be charged as a terrorist, so should the ceo’s that let people die for a profit

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    His lawyers should go for a defense of others defense. Millions of lives were in imminent danger. He had no choice but to act.

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      I simultaneously do and do not want to see the trolly problem diagram in that courtroom.

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        well, unless it results in a mistrial we’ll find out how everybody in that courtroom feels about the trolley problem.

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    Huh, I guess a terrorist is a national hero. Hope others follow his fine work

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      They’re trying to end that, Republicans making the claim you can and should deny healthcare to prisoners

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        No more healthcare, work without pay, convicted for bullshit reasons, locked up in conditions which are crimes against humanity… Americans call it correctional facilities, to cover up they are actually slave labor camps. Just like they do not torture, they call it “enhanced interrogation”. Even though it’s the same technique as torture, it’s ok now because it’s named differently. Because slave labor camps are named “correctional institute” it’s all good man!

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        One is a coordinated group working in lockstep to collapse everything as a primary political party that’s not only in power but in charge of every part of government.

        The other is a single guy who acted in the interest of average people by killing someone ‘valuable’

        The year of Luigi was 11 years early.