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House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) on Sunday said Democrats will not focus on impeaching President Trump if they regain a majority in the lower chamber after midterm elections.
“I’ve made clear from the very beginning that our top priority is going to be to drive down the high cost of living,” the House minority leader added.
The House minority leader has lauded Democrats’ push for redistricting nationwide in an effort to pick up additional House seats and signaled that the party will advocate more for working-class Americans, after Democrats saw losses from the key demographic in the 2024 election.
(Obligatory https://readsettlers.org/ )
PS this is low effort memes, I’m not going to defend the meme in the comments - feel free to argue with yourselves
Edit: I’m not american so you’re extra wasting your time arguing 🤷♀️
The Democrats empowered MAGA and Trump by running a completely non-viable candidate. Stop blaming voters for the failure of the Democratic party. This is all on them, 100%.
That non viable candidate almost won and the world would be a better place if she did.
I’d say this was less on the voters and more on the non voters.
But she chose a losing policy and lost. The entire left was telling you she was going to lose. But the left isn’t netanyahu, so centrists didn’t listen.
What “losing policy” did she pick?
Genocide, obviously. Unlimited, unreserved pro-zionist support for Israel. Neoliberalism. Take your pick, really.
Oh, not quite.
We chose unlimited, unreserved pro-zionist support for Israel over limited, reserved pro-zionist support for Israel.
I’m aware that most of us wanted neither of those.
Thats a losing policy? Thats been the general policy for 5 decades.
Yes, it’s a losing policy now, as evidenced by Kamala Harris losing in 2024. Demographic change is real.
Doubt it. It most likely simple old fashion racism and misogyny. 2020 biden was the same 2024 biden. And kamala was carrying the same policies. Or do you really think 4 years was enough for people to forget about the mango which was obviously carrying far worse policies?
Biden only won in 2020 because he was the anti-Trump candidate and Trump fucked up the handling of COVID, it wasn’t because Biden was particularly popular or because anyone liked his policies.
In fact, I can’t think of a single good policy he pushed for or enacted, and I can think of a bunch of things he did wrong.
But, yeah, you can believe whatever you like. We’ll see how the next election goes, but I’m sure neoliberals will continue to come up with some sort of explanation to continue believing in neoliberalism even as it becomes more and more apparently a failed, dead ideology.
The genocidal will never accept that the only thing they have ever wanted is unpopular.
This is nonsense, as shown by the Dems own post mortem.
But let’s pretend it’s true. Why then would you have run Kamala?
And the world became a better place, so centrists’ only policy is no longer popular. Abandon it.
Cool. Tell me how that is working out. Ignoring reality will not get you out sess pit without long term planning and hard work. Knee jerk reactions will only send you deeper.
Poorly so far. Congratulations.
And people have been fighting for the ownership of their stupid holy land since man has existed. Who gives a fuck about either side in Israel/Palestine. Let them wipe each other out while the rest of the world slowly moves on ffom acting like LOTR version zero is any sort of reality.
What an absolutely revolting way to talk about real people, especially when we’re talking about a hundred thousand innocent people being killed intentionally as part of a genocidal endeavor.
This isn’t a fair fight we’re talking about, it’s a series of massacres that have been going on since 1948, conducted by a nuclear state which is backed by the world’s foremost superpower, supplied with the latest weapons to ethnically cleanse and eradicate an entire indigenous population who are forced to live in an open-air prison by a settler-colonial state, and their justification is that they want the land that those people are living on because it was promised to them by God according to the Bible.
Entire cities have been completely flattened, ambulances and humanitarian supplies destroyed, children targeted by snipers, civilians intentionally targeted by missile strikes, then when help arrives, another missile strike.
You have never seen a movie or the horrors of anything the likes of this since the Holocaust. And if you live in the US, your tax money goes towards enabling all of it, your government is providing them with all of the guns, bombs and tanks they need.
Genocide.
People didn’t vote because they felt like Harris was not worth voting for. She lost because she didn’t actually offer anyone what they wanted, she was just a harm reduction candidate at best. That isn’t sufficiently motivating to get people out to vote, no matter how much we rant and yell and shame people.
Please, I am begging you, accept this reality. I want Trump and the Republicans gone probably even more than you do. I am trying to help you understand that we lost for a very good reason and we need to learn from it.
I think she would have did a good job personally.
No war in Iran and no brownshirts shooting Americans in the streets.
What you think, and whether she would have done a good job, is completely irrelevant. Do you not understand my point? You win elections by having a candidate that people want to vote for, usually by advancing policies which are popular.
The genocide in Gaza is now like a 90/10 issue. It is known that it was a factor in why Kamala lost the election. If she had opposed the genocide, it is very possible that she would have won.
I am not shitting on Democrats just for fun. I am trying to explain that Trump won because the Democrats advanced a shit, genocidal candidate.
If you let them do the same thing again in 2028, we very well may see a Republican President even worse than Trump.
Please, demand more than the bare minimum.
So you voted trump to stop all the forever wars, release the Epstein files, etc?
Democracy isn’t just about voting once in a while, and boy democracy is less about “getting what you want” than removing wannabe dictators.
But then again your whole system is broken, so good luck, because you need to fix it, and that happens by hard work from the bottom up.
I have no idea where you got the idea that I’d ever vote for Trump. I’m an anarchist, and a union rep, and an activist doing organizing in my local community, but I also always vote for the best candidate I can to mitigate harm. All I am doing here is trying to help liberals understand why Harris lost the election, because I want the Democrats to win. I want to try and avoid another fascist dictatorship, which is inevitable if the Democrats continue to be fascism lite.
It’s what centrists assume when anyone says something they don’t like.
Single issue voters are the worse and the only reason we’ll have a republican president in 2028 is if people try to suppress the democratic vote again.
You know what really suppresses votes? Genocide. Supporting the continued existence of the organization that is abducting your neighbors. Not being able to afford healthcare and having the D candidate not even lie about wanting free healthcare.
I’ve only seen the genocides get worse since Trump won so that’s a hard reality to sell.
So it should be the easiest fucking layup in the world to run on reversing all of Trump’s policies, using every means at your disposal instead of crying how powerless the literal fucking president is. But that didn’t happen under Obama, or Biden, and the dems still refuse to admit they did anything wrong and course-correct.
Keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better. I’ll be over here, in the real world, fighting for a better world.
Give me someone better to vote for who has a chance of winning and I’ll vote for them.
Until then I’m going to vote for the people with a chance to fix this country.
Well, hopefully a socialist candidate can win the primary. If it’s fucking Harris or Newsom or some neoliberal right wing/centrist shitlib we will be completely, 100%, unbelievably, irredeemably fucked by 2036.
Hopefully a better candidate wins, despite the party’s inevitable fuckery in the primaries. Because if another genocidal corpodem “wins” the nomination, they will lose in the general.
That’s not me threatening to take my ball and go home. That’s not purity testing. That’s not whatever thought terminating cliche you centrists use whenever you don’t want to listen to someone to your left trying to interrupt you when you’re making a mistake.
That’s an honest assessment of the electorate you have to get votes from if you want to win.
You would rather lose, blame the left, and move to the right. Genocide wasn’t far enough to the right for you or any other centrist.
She ran on a more lethal military and that Iran was our greatest enemy…
Oh yes, why reduce harm when we can not vote and get the option that will just endlessly stab with the wheel of staby knives.
People not voting are possibly more stupid than MAGA. At least MAGA morons have SOME sort of care, even if its motivated entirely by hate.
I’ve voted in every election I was ever eligible to vote in. I am simply explaining why the Democrats lost. You can hate the people who didn’t vote if you want, I understand that frustration, but there is a very good reason they didn’t vote - because they didn’t perceive the Democratic candidate to be someone worth voting for.
Advance a candidate with popular policies who isn’t a genocidal piece of shit and watch in amazement as political engagement ramps up.
maga has candidates that they’re excited to vote for.
democrats do not.
Second worst is not good enough to win. Appealing to the voters is not beneath you.
If you have to be excited to do the right thing I have a bit of bad news about adulthood in general.
I voted for harris.
Second worst still wasn’t good enough to win. Appealing to the voters is still not beneath you.
For all their “yOu DoNt KnOw HoW gOvErNmEnT wOrKs” gaslighting, the genocide wing is determined to never learn how voters work.
Excet you can’t really magically appeal to all progressives/leftists/liberals/center people.
Some single issue Trans rights.
Some single issue Palestine.
Some single issue dumping ICE
Etc etc.
The only thing that MAGA has to single issue is hate. With a dash of “abortion bad”.
Oh why oh why can’t we keep people on board! We only betray one tiny worthless demographic at a time!
Yes. The Democrats fucking suck.
You know who fucking sucks 1000x more.
The fucking Nazis running the GOP.
Its like the Turkey election. Everyone was all "yay they got rid of the dictstor asshole. Except by all accounts, the new guy is not a whole lot better or different. But he is BETTER. And everyone has been praising the shit out of that.
It’s like clockwork. Say something a centrist doesn’t want to hear, and they assume you want a lecture.
I’m very tired of having to repeat to you centrist-splainers that I voted for harris.
Yes, republicans are worse. But being second worse by as narrow a margin as you think you can get away with is not enough to win. You have seen that happen before your eyes. You have seen the consequences. And you still think you can berate and scold and lecture your way out of this, to people who knew you were going to lose all along, voted for the genocidal shit you wanted anyway, and get blamed for the loss they tried to warn you about.
You need voters to win. And no matter how much the prospect disgusts you, They won’t vote for second worst in sufficient numbers for you to win. It’s so unfair that you have to give the voters more than capitulation and genocide.
harm reduction is a specific thing. voting is not harm reduction.
Funny how not setting your hand on a burning stove won’t result in third degree burns isn’t a good enough reason to not set your hand on a burning stove. You ever heard the phrase “don’t let better be the enemy of perfect”?
No shit Harris sucked, but she sucked a whole lot less than Trump and moving incrementally left from Harris would have been a HELL OF A LOT easier than moving left from Trump. I do absolutely blame the idiots who sat around and said “well, Harris doesn’t inspire me, so I’ll sit here and let the fascist collapse happen. That’ll show everyone how morally superior I am!”
The people who didn’t vote, I think, are worse than Trumo supporters because at least Trump supporters made moves to do what they thought was best while you sat around and twiddled your thumbs and let the world burn around you instead of doing the bare fucking minimum available to you to stop it, or at least slow it down to make it easier to change it in the near future
Yeah, being mad at trump supporters voting for trump is like being mad at your dog for eating its own shit. It’s a dumb animal that eats shit and garbage, what were you expecting? I’m more mad that they have, not just equal, but over representation in this political system. We need a system where ideally, the stupid dogs have no representation, or at a minimum, equal representation to actual thinking human beings.
No excuses for the 3rd party/non-voters in 2024. Life is full of shitty compromises made worse by inaction. I’m amazed they’ve made it this far in life without noticing that, but it’s time to adult the fuck up.
Primaries for Congress are going on right now, and each one of those whiny lazy chucklefucks that got us into the mess ought to be out there stumping for their ideal candidate every waking hour of every day until November.
Take a look in the mirror. That’s what a fascist enabler looks like.
I have explained this, again, and again, and again: I am just explaining why and how the democrats lost. I have voted in every election I have ever been eligible to vote in, ALWAYS for the candidate which minimizes harm.
Please stop being so reactionary and try to understand what I am writing. Jumping to conclusions and getting angry at me for explaining why OTHER PEOPLE didn’t vote doesn’t make me a fascist enabler.
almost won? She lost every single swing state. It was a slaughter and not even close.
In the history of the USA Harris got the third most votes ever.
It goes:
Biden with 81,283,501 Trump (2024) with 77,302,580 Harris with 75,017,613 Trump (2020) with 74,223,975
Listen sweater maybe you don’t understand how elections work
In 2024 besides Trump who was the next closest to winning the election?
This is the most sane comment I’ve seen from you since I joined Lemmy.
He almost gets it, like Kamala almost won.
yeah what gives? did we slip into a mandala universe again? (we spell it mandala here)
Wow, “stop blaming voters”.
America, do you even understand how a democracy is supposed to work? Hint: it’s not fire & forget every N years.
Good luck you all, you need it.
They quit teaching civics in school in the US 30 years ago. So, no, the kids you’re arguing with do not understand how a democracy is supposed to work. Yet another Republican success story.
they did? shit someone tell our local districts.
That explains a fair bit… Thanks! And good luck.
Ok. Keep blaming voters. Scream at them until the end of time. It won’t change the electorate you have in front of you. You can appeal to the voters or lose. I know, it’s beneath you to treat the hostages like they’re people instead of vending machines that dispense votes when you kick them hard enough.
🙄
It certainly seems like you have a winning message by being condescending
Well sorry if it comes off like that but I sometimes feel I’m trying to instruct in a kindergarten. Do americans not study history of democracy, or of war? It’s like they do all the rookie mistakes.
Good luck to them all.
I promise you everyone on the left understands US civics. Liberals can’t help but condescend and derail into metaphor because the arguments for their policy fucking suck.
Liberals have a real problem reckoning with the fact that Kamala Harris lost because she was an unelectable piece of genocidal trash who deserves to be put on trial for crimes against humanity alongside Biden for their unlimited support to the genocidal regime of Israel, who advanced precisely zero popular policies, and ran entirely on a platform of “We’re like the Republican Party, but slightly less worse”.
Liberals feel like their candidate was good, but only lost because voters are lazy, apathetic, stupid, etc. If the candidate was good, voters would overcome these obstacles and vote. I’m just explaining fundamental reality to people who do not want to come to terms with the fact that their political project, neoliberalism, is dead and gone.
If you’re an American then it is up to you to find a good candidate. It’s not going to work if you wait for someone to spoon feed you the “right”(enough) candidate.
I regularly encourage people to get engaged in the democratic process, especially primaries, as well as participating in workplace organizing and activist efforts. Please enjoy one of my many homemade copypastas:
Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.
Good luck from Europe!
This is just… Its such a hilariously insane sentiment to express. I’m like, genuinely glad that shitlibs can’t help themselves and are willing to just live with their whole ass hanging out. Just, honestly, thank you. Thank you for always saying the quiet parts out loud. You make it so much easier to identify and understand why and how liberalism ends up at fascism.
And what you are doing is important, even if its naively so. We need this kind of thinking documented, if only to study in an effort to make sure no one ever repeats it.
Dude can only treat people as “LiBeRaLs” when they do not “agree”.
I’m not american. Not your LIbErAl either lol.
But please continue insulting people left right center, that’s the winning strategy champ!
Oh yeah, blocked.
followed by
Yeah, sure, ok buddy.
ooh! me, too! i want a block!
If you would be so kind as to block me as well.
Gald we have great morals and not voted for lesser genocide and allowed unbridled genocide to occur.
If you want better candidates you need to find them long before election day. On election day it is too late to find your perfect candidate. And yeah, its no secret democrats are right wing… not really sure what you expected.
Leftists, including me, yelled as loudly and repeatedly as possible that Biden/Harris would lose the election, long before the election was held. We were ignored, and now, we’re being blamed for the loss that is 100% the fault of the centrist/right wing of the Democratic party.
What do you think I’m doing now, literally YEARS out from the election? I am trying to help people understand WHY the Democrats lost, so that we can avoid a candidate who will lose in the same way.
I’m trying to push the Democrats back towards the left wing because that is the best hope we have of curbing the rise of fascism.
Look, I fucking led the fight trying to explain this to shitlibs and blue MAGA in '22, continuing into '23, and relentlessly in '24. And as I know I’m speaking to someone on the right side of that fight, I just want to point out to you to notice how they refuse to understand and that not understanding or being willing to understand how elections work, how electoralism works, how voting works, how voters work: their belligerence; their refusal to understand or live in a grounded reality; its a core function of their argument.
At this point, there really is not excuse for them not understanding and acknowledging the damage they caused to democracy in 2023/24. And the refusal to understand and acknowledge effectively is the argument they are making. They don’t care that they’re wrong, they only care that they their grievances and sensibilities stay centered as the highest priority of the democratic party. My point here, is that we need to shift our understanding of what liberals/ shitlibs/ blue MAGA is trying to accomplish when they insist that its voters that need to adapt to bad policy and undetectable candidates. As progressives/ socialists, we think were running in a political contest. This cohort understand something we don’t: they understand that they are in competition for cultural control of the entire suite of demographics living in the tent of the Democratic party.
And I think its appropriate to use the pejorative Blue MAGA here, for the same reasons we use MAGA to describe the same phenomenon on the right. Characters like SMCF aren’t making a political argument or waging a battle to get their suite or policies centered in the Democratic party: they’re waging a battle to maintain their white/ NPR liberal cultural identity as the central focus of the Democratic party. And this why the pejorative is the correct word to use here: MAGA also started as a project to maintain the centralism of white identity politics. Blue MAGA is culture wars, but internal to the Democratic party. Their arguments aren’t political, they’re cultural. Their fight is to keep their sensibilities and identity the central focus and project of the Democratic party. And these are the people who are also least impacted by the US’s turn to fascism. They are the protected class of fascism, and they are fighting to keep it that way.
So when you hear ABWD/ Shitlib/ Blue MAGA hog sounds coming from a chat thread, I think its useful to understand why they are doing what they are doing. And yes, Blue MAGA is the right word to use here, because, like MAGA, their fight isn’t truly political, its cultural. And I think if we shift our understanding into these terms, it helps explain behaviors that otherwise wouldn’t make sense, like for example, insisting on running the worst possible candidates in the “most important elections of our lifetime”.
the way to do that is not by yelling online, but by getting out there and actually doing politics. getting involved. if you think only democrats are electable, get involved with democrats and get folk at the local level excited for your causes (i’ll give you a hint mine are healthcare and homelessness). maybe even become a candidate for some office yourself. we always need folk on school boards and city councils who can advance sensible agendas and stop far right folk from taking over.
I’m doing all sorts of things outside of the Internet, but I think it’s a perfectly useful tool to help others come to the same realizations I have so that they can help advocate for a better world alongside me, no?
It’s not like I’m just posting this here so I can yell at people or something. I am doing advocacy online, in my spare time, alongside all of the other stuff I do.
No it’s projection which is why it’s hilarious. Cumfart spent his 2024 kneecapping any opposition to Biden and the status quo, leaving us with the only possible option which could lose to fascism.
Don’t let them fool you, Cumfart is a fascist. They would just prefer it be their preferred fascists at the helm.
I voted for Harris not the fascists.
Don’t you love the neo-liberal bullshit of critical analysis of a candidate by a leftist means you didn’t vote for them? Geeze, with them pushing away leftists, I wonder how the party will do now.
I don’t think you know what neoliberal means and when did I tell dingdong they didn’t vote?
I would appreciate it if you didn’t put words in my mouth so you can give yourself a reason to be mad.
I wasn’t saying you said DingDong didn’t vote. What I’m saying is that neo-liberals believe if you are critical of the Dems and them they think you didn’t vote at all.
Seven million less people voted Harris than Biden so there’s a chance those ‘neo-liberals’ are right.
What does neoliberal mean to you anyways?
Neo-liberal ideology is one that succinctly calls itself socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
It’s pro-capitalist believing in laissez-faire economic policies, minimal government guidance, regulation, or oversight. Economic policies that do not restrict the accumulation of wealth, expansion of business, reach of business, its regulation. Believers often talk about the hand of the free market guiding it.
Social policies, it ranges from moderately conservative to moderate in general. As long as they do not hamper the free market economy. Equality but not necessary egalitarianism. So examples include increase in police funding, promotion of private institutions along with public ones.
They believe people should be free to move among the social levels through merit. Also austerity is a big part of it. Big players in recent times have been Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Both parties were neo-liberal until the time of Newt Gingrich then the Republicans started to turn toward reactionary politics more and more.
Neo-liberal does not mean leftist/ism/, socialist/ism, communist/ism, and anarchist/ism. Such ideologies are at odds because they believe in best of a regulated capitalist socio-economic policy to outright its rejection.
Republicans cosplay as neoliberals while mostly being conservative.
Democrats are mostly liberal not neoliberal.
Your vote is irrelevant when you did all the work to ensure fascists get get elected.
Harris was fascist lite. Both candidates were fascists. Dont lie, you did vote for fascists, and you got what you voted for.
That’s just not true and comments like this are doing the right-wing propaganda machine’s job for it by normalizing what’s currently happening.
Don’t be like that.
It is true. She would not make the decision to part ways with Israel and advocate against an ongoing genocide.
You just wanted a more polite fascist. You wanted genocide, just a more well spoken version that meets your class sensibilities.
You think everyone is a fascist though.
No, and I’ve been incredibly, incredibly clear about this for literally years. And no matter how much you try and pretend its something else, you yourself continuously do the work to out your true self.
You were never interested in stopping fascism, because you yourself support the same policies as the literal fascists. You only find issue with the window dressings, with the trappings and stylistic aspects of how the fascism is done. But so long as it meets your cultural sensibilities, its fine with you.
I voted Harris who is not a fascist so your argument breaks down there.
So you’re saying as a voter I’m supposed to just sit around and wait for a candidate/party to run a perfect campaign while I let my brain rot instead of rubbing some of my brain cells together to acknowledge that one option is better than the other, even if they messed up on the campaign trail?
That sounds pretty stupid and lazy.
Like, do you think election campaigns are the only way to judge a party or candidate? Like there isn’t an entire detailed history I can check out to determine what the facts are about that party/candidate?
Yeah, campaigns matter, but voters also have a responsibility and you’re trying to absolve them of that responsibility.
Oh my god, I am extremely over explaining this again and again.
No, I’m telling you that it doesn’t matter how much you scream, cry, shame, judge, rant and rave, it literally doesn’t matter one single iota if you’re right and those people are lazy and shit.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO NOT VOTE UNLESS YOU GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO VOTE FOR.
DEAL WITH REALITY, OR LOSE.